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Old 08-05-2022 | 07:34 PM
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How does having a hotel during training give you more free time to look for permanent housing?

Are you aware that Delta doesn’t provide a hotel in ATL for new hire sims if you’re based there?

Alaska doesn’t provide a new hire hotel at all either.
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Old 08-05-2022 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cameronhoward
Do they give you the bonus before you start? Because that’s when it’d have to be in order to use it to find housing…
I believe it's the first paycheck you receive, if not, it will be on the paycheck that is given on the 7th each month. You get paid twice a month.
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Old 08-05-2022 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cameronhoward;[url=tel:3473191
3473191[/url]]Wait, does Hawaiian not provide a hotel during training?? Even cheap a** regionals provide that. Thinking about applying and currently on the mainland. Would be next to impossible to get housing without going out there first and scoping it out, but there’s a 0% chance of getting enough time off to do so.

maybe you should stay on the mainland then? Usually when people want something they just do it or work for it. It’s not ideal not to have hotels but majority of people already live in Hawaii or have some sort of connection to the islands.
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Old 08-05-2022 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cameronhoward
Lol the regional I fly for got me a hotel for training even though I already lived 15 minutes from the training base. Crazy to think there's an airline who doesn't get you a hotel for training.

If I worked for Hawaiian I would certainly want to move to HNL but it would take me a while of actually being on the island to find a place. I have a wife and kids and won't get a place where I haven't personally been to, to scout out the area. That's not really possible while I'm working for a regional on the mainland. If they offered a hotel during training I could use my free time to find a permanent location for my family.
So you don’t work here yet and you’re already complaining about the place. We get what you are saying/venting, but giving up your seniority at a regional is a bigger plunge than crashing on a couch somewhere while you are getting through training.
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Old 08-06-2022 | 11:28 AM
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I started at a regional around 20 yrs ago that gave a hotel for training for the first 2 weeks to allow pilots time to get settled into class, and also find housing/crashpads. We had one base so everyone was training in base.
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Old 08-06-2022 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cameronhoward
Lol the regional I fly for got me a hotel for training even though I already lived 15 minutes from the training base. Crazy to think there's an airline who doesn't get you a hotel for training.

If I worked for Hawaiian I would certainly want to move to HNL but it would take me a while of actually being on the island to find a place. I have a wife and kids and won't get a place where I haven't personally been to, to scout out the area. That's not really possible while I'm working for a regional on the mainland. If they offered a hotel during training I could use my free time to find a permanent location for my family.
Rule #1 in Hawaii... You shall never ever raise concerns.... Do not bring shame to yourself by raising concerns. If you don't agree with something, keep it to yourself. Group think has and will always be the best solution.
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Old 08-06-2022 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Southbay
Alaska doesn’t provide a new hire hotel at all either.
Nope. They do, and commuter hotels
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Old 08-06-2022 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax
Rule #1 in Hawaii... You shall never ever raise concerns.... Do not bring shame to yourself by raising concerns. If you don't agree with something, keep it to yourself. Group think has and will always be the best solution.

It’s not group think, it’s asking a Year 2+ pilot how much in negotiating capital they are willing to give up for training hotels. The company is free to offer higher first year pay and hotels at any time.
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Old 08-06-2022 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by av8tor55
The company is free to offer higher first year pay and hotels at any time.
Exactly. Why pick an airline that has a management team that does as little as possible to get by hiring wise? Every airline is hiring in mass numbers. All with much easier new hire basing and living situations.

Group think is not directed at any particular pilot group. It's how things operate all over Hawaii. Raising a dissenting opinion is not wanted nor welcome. The applicant concerned about training hotels has a valid concern, and is met by "if ya don't like it don't apply" attitudes.
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Old 08-07-2022 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax
Group think is not directed at any particular pilot group. It's how things operate all over Hawaii. Raising a dissenting opinion is not wanted nor welcome.
The door nail that sticks out, gets hammered back in. -or- The squeaky wheel gets replaced.
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