Hawaiian Hiring FOs
05-13-2025 | 02:06 PM
#931
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A positive thing about Hawaiian. The PWA has this “One hundred percent (100%) of the known flying at each Domicile shall be used to construct the Flight Groupings for the pilots to preference on their Monthly Run”
Does Alaska withhold flying for IOE? This mainly benefits FOs but I know some people who get a majority of their schedule pay protected because they buddy bid check airmen.
Does Alaska withhold flying for IOE? This mainly benefits FOs but I know some people who get a majority of their schedule pay protected because they buddy bid check airmen.
05-13-2025 | 02:47 PM
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05-13-2025 | 09:13 PM
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From talking to a friend who is an checkpilot over there, he says they custom build the trips to check a bunch of boxes like Alaska flying, and ETOPS, and that the trips tend to be pretty good and efficient or else the instructors complain and get them fixed.
05-13-2025 | 10:41 PM
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Much better to honor seniority and let the company buy the trips they want to use for IOE. We used to withhold trips for IOE and I don’t think anyone wants to return to that methodology.
05-14-2025 | 11:52 AM
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This is where it gets pretty rich when Alaska pilots talk about having to "Spend all the negotiating capital fixing Hawaiians contract". Outside of hourly pay Hawaiians contract seems better in most ways. It's the Alaska contract that needs fixing more than the Hawaiian one. Bumping pay 8% is small, getting things like the company to pay to displace for IOE, pay protect when a trip is taken away from you at the time it's taken from you, NQ language that doesn't allow the company to trample all over you if you dequal on landings and good training language are all expensive and are going to be hard to overcome with the way Alaska is used to doing things.
05-14-2025 | 02:03 PM
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This is where it gets pretty rich when Alaska pilots talk about having to "Spend all the negotiating capital fixing Hawaiians contract". Outside of hourly pay Hawaiians contract seems better in most ways. It's the Alaska contract that needs fixing more than the Hawaiian one. Bumping pay 8% is small, getting things like the company to pay to displace for IOE, pay protect when a trip is taken away from you at the time it's taken from you, NQ language that doesn't allow the company to trample all over you if you dequal on landings and good training language are all expensive and are going to be hard to overcome with the way Alaska is used to doing things.
05-14-2025 | 02:15 PM
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From: 737 FO
05-15-2025 | 08:00 AM
#939
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Not saying screw the non-mil guys, but you get a whole lot more broad support for something like hourly rate increases which help everyone equally (and can be applied to medical plans if you need it).
That might change over time, fewer mil people per capita these days, and also newer folks don't have a pension to fall back on.
05-15-2025 | 08:11 AM
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Personally I'm nervous about seniority, I could end up with my trajectory flat-lined. Nothing we can likely do about that, but I at least want JCBA to have something which I care about. I mean who doesn't? Hourly rates would be fine, and not just for WB's.
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