Screwed

And we all knew you would be the first to point it out !

If management felt the need to correct the record, then let them do it.

Don't be their beotch!

How many times a month does management lie? Yet I don't see you publicly correcting them.

Stratocruzr

Actually was NOT TOTALLY debunked. Yes they did retract. I have a life and a job so I do not the live on these boards.

Flights WERE CANCLED DUE TO LACK OF STAFF. I don’t know how they covered them. THey could of been moved to one of our competitors, likely ATI (lowest bidder scab airline) That said it doesn’t change the facts they can’t staff 737s because of the absolute $#!t pay and ZERO work rules. 777s to follow for the same reason I’m sure here at some point soon.

Davetastic

Stop acting like such a beotch by spinning rumors!

and fyi, kindly point me to the company web forum and I'll gladly debunk their spin!

And YES is was totally debunked. There is NO such decision to park 737's with 777's to follow with potential furloughs shortly thereafter. This rumor wasn't even in the ballpark! The union even put out an unofficial message saying to STOP spinning rumors because it weakens credibility, TO WHICH I AGREE! It may happen in the future but not now so why stir up a frenzy unnecessarily? oh, wait, that's right....polly wanna cracker?



Off topic question....do you know anything about ATI? It's an honest question because to make such a statement without any historical context raises many questions. Do we have a union responsibility to ATI pilots for example(probably not because they are ALPA). What if they are scabs? How do we know? What is a scab airline? Is that even possible? I though only pilots could be scabs....airlines might be bottom feeders and scope busters but scabs?

suddenimpact

We all know the company lies constantly. At Atlas, it's a challenge system on keeping them honest and maintaining your CBA rights. You have to know and fight for your contract rights every day! Always has been and probably always will be this way.

Having said that, I have noted a very-very large number of misleading statements, if not outright lies by our leadership since the Kirchner administration started. I know we are living in the age of Trump, but do we have to tolerate it among our local leadership?

STR8NLVL

It’s the first day of the month after your start date. Start on 5/25, your health kicks in 6/1. Start on 5/2, and it starts on 6/1. It’s not 30 days, but could be depending on your start date.


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STR8NLVL

I’m going to give you my spin and back out of the infighting quietly. First off, sorry to hear about your wife. Prayers for a quick and complete cure.

Now as to Atlas, there are pros and cons. It is what you make of it. Gateway is nice and takes the pressure off of figuring out how you’ll get to work, commuter clauses, etc. But, it comes at a price. You’re subject to the Travel Department’s whims of when they want to buy your ticket and sometimes have to leave way before your first work day because of their arbitrary made-up rules about needing “rest” before your first flight, even though days off and gateway are all rest already. Usually it’s not a problem. But if you get 747 ANC FO sometimes it can make you have to gateway to work two days before your trip instead of the day before.

As far as days off, depending on the regional for whom you currently work, you might have more, might have less. Personally, I was commuting to a 4 on, 3 off schedule before. So I have found that working a single departure schedule where all my days off are together yields a nearly 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off lifestyle. It seems like the 747 has almost all the trips going the full max 17 days of work, whereas the 767 has most lines going 16 days on, with a few lately being only 15 days on. So it seems like you get an extra day or two off on the 76. But that’s just my personal observation from having flown both. Anyway, I feel like I do have more quality time at home with my family here than I did at Republic. YMMV

As far as the union stuff. No, the union doesn’t “threaten new hires.” I’ve never seen nor heard of such behavior. The FB page GC Comms is run by volunteers, some of whom are on union committees, and they have banned a few guys for posting things the moderators felt were combative or anti-union. While I don’t agree with this practice, it’s not very common and every instance where I saw it happen it was easy to see coming. Just go there, read the information they provide, come to your own conclusions and move on. Log on and start calling union leaders liars and cheats or such and expect to be kicked.

My impression of Atlas, I love the guys I fly with. The trips are pretty good. I love the 74 international flying, but sneak an extra day or two at home on the 76 in exchange for doing more domestic and UPS/FedEx-style hub turns, which aren’t as fun. My wife and I have talked about it a few times and she agrees that it seems like I have more time at home here than at Republic. I think mainly because I only lose one to three days off a month commuting, versus two a week before. However, it’s insulting to work for so much less than what every other company pays their pilots to operate widebody aircraft internationally. And the retirement is one third of what every other competitor pays, and that sticks in your crawl. Add in the strife between the union and the company and the company’s complete refusal to negotiate in good faith and that does wear on you over time.

I came here expecting to retire here. But now I have my apps out at only two majors for whom I would leave here to go to.

That’s my take, worth what you paid for it.

Peace out...

Str8


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Screwed

Sorry, I did not start or spread the rumor. In fact, I did not even know about it until it had been debunked BY THE UNION !

That's right. The UNION debunked the lie. The UNION corrected the mistake by a SA Pilot.


I just pointed out that there are hypocrites like you that will jump at any chance to point out a union lie, but are totally silent when it comes to management.

checklist

Thanks. Couple more questions if you don't mind.

APC profile page reads:

Plan on 4 Months at $1600 a month, due to OE being backed up

First year pay begins upon completion of OE or four months from hire date, whichever occurs first.

Does your second year pay start at 1 year after your original hire date, or four months later?

Globemaster2827

That starts from your original hire date. If you start July 15th 2018 then 2nd year will start July 01st 2019. At least that's how mine worked.

STR8NLVL

Yep. You advance to the next year on the pay scale on day one of the month of your hire date. So if you were hired on 5/15, you start 2nd year pay on 5/1 of the next year, regardless of when you complete OE or start first year pay.

Also, OE times vary for every class. Some 76 guys have had the full four month experience, complete with a 2nd check ride. Other guys have finished OE the week after their type ride. But be prepared for four months of $1,600 plus perdiem, just in case.


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