Well in that case I think it's best to update the app & sit tight. I know several people in the same situation who have interviews. One just received the email within the last 2 days.

Has anyone who passed the interview last time around (but didn't pass one of the tests) get an email to re-interview yet?

The guys that I know have not. I did have one guy with an interview invite last time get another one this time. He will be interviewing in early July. They have interviews scheduled until late July.

Unless it is in a memo it means nothing. It is up to interpretation and therefore unreliable.

Not saying it did not happen, I am just saying that you cannot hold Delta to something that was not officially said. That said keep checking your in box and spam folders.

Face it guys, being offered a job but not making it to class means you are not hired yet. Delta may do something like preferential interviews, but you are going to have to apply for a job and interview again. If you want a job at Delta, I would get your application in.

To continue to beat a dead horse, I think there were around 40 guys in the NWA pool, does anyone have the latest number of guys that have already recieved a call/email? Do we think more notifications are still in the works for remaining pool guys?

Rumor: Continued Hiring at DAL for the next 4 years-60/mos. (( Of course, World Economy and Actions could change this))

TYG

Wow...where did you hear that? That is close to 3000 new hires in 4 years! Is DAL planning to grow that much? They might me getting ready for another Pilot Early Retirement Program? Or are they hiring pre-emptively for the future retirements?

Nice rumor though...hope it is true. If it holds true, this place will be a gold-mine for newhires joining now.

Its a rumor on this or one of the other boards. I have heard of continued hiring next year, but no one gave any formal numbers in the last MEM base meeting.

During the CVG management visit. When talking about Pilot Hiring, he casually said, "We have people who were hired and had classes cancelled during the last round of hiring. We owe it to those folks and we need to do the right thing."

Don't quote me ... even though I did, I paraphrased the best I could. I was going to engage him on that after the meeting; however, the management team had an issue that required their immediate attention and they left very quickly. This is why I posted for the people attending the MSP meeting to reengage.

Just curious, I know the US is big with PIC time unlike here in Europe.
Have they asked anybody to interview without PIC time?

At the CVG meeting, they did not say anything about hiring continuing. They did say that if the economy remained strong, we could see hiring start again around August 2011.

Thats what I heard at the ATL base meeting. Another 300 or so in 2011 around summer or fall time frame.

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They inferred a similar hiring rate in the new york meeting, but why would they open and close the hiring department? Once it is spooled up, I don't see them closing it to re-open it six months later.

Does it really cost that much to assign a few individuals to staff a hiring department?

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I agree, but afer siting thrua few hiring cycles at this company, I've seen that hiring takes on a life of its own, until it is turned off.

Apparently there is a lot more cost involved then just that. I don't know the specifics, but that's what I've been told. Also, historically once airlines start hiring they keep going. It's not typical for them to hire such a small amount(especially compared to the size of our pilot group). I think hiring will continue, but if DAL doesn't make statements of solidity, then there are no grounds for lawsuits. Think about it.

yes they have. One thing is for sure, and thats if you dont apply you wont get an interview ;)

fwiw, I've heard similar information. Getting on now SHOULD = significant seniority gain in a relatively short period of time.

Getting back to the addendum for a minute and the part about being downgraded; here is the question:

"15. Have you ever been the subject of an evaluation board or been removed from flight status, downgraded, or failed any portion of flight training either civilian or military?"

I have been downgraded from FO to FE due to staffing issues, so for me the answer to this question if taken literally is "yes". However, when the entire question is taken in context one would take it as meaning downgraded for performance reasons.

Right now I have it checked as "yes", but I don't want to raise any unnecessary eyebrows either.

Any suggestions?

If you were downgraded due to staffing issues, that is not the type of downgrade they are talking about

Technically you were displaced.

The context this is talking about is busting a CA ride or something of the sort and having to go back to FO.

Don't make it harder than it is! :)

JDawg, I agree with 80ktsClamp ... you should not be checking that box.

Thx; I'll make the change

update, update, update, update, update, (from what I've been told), update, update, update...

How many people were forecasted to retire this year vs ones that have? Wasn't it only 3 forecasted?

I was also wondering, what will AMR's hiring boom be when they finally start hiring!? Whens the last time they've hired?

80 CLAMP speaks the truth.

There is still A LOT of uncertainty about this economy. Our hiring is being driven by growth. That growth really requires a sustained gain in employment.

I'd watch indicators like unemployment statistics, GDP and our stock price. Any of those leading indicators typically filters through to block plans and staffing decisions in that order. Delta reacts very quickly to market conditions and genuinely tries to avoid hiring pilots that they might have to furlough.

Overall, airline hiring tracks GDP very reliably with the average being about 4% growth yearly in between market fluctuations. Mainline hiring has fallen below the line because we've outsourced so much of it. Going forward it is hoped we will see normal patterns return.

They stated at the JFK meeting hiring 305 and then taking a break until fall of 2011 and then could hire another 300 or so. The flying at Delta is so cyclic that they don't want anyone in school in the summer. They need everyone on the line. If you have new hires in class in the Spring and Summer then you have to have pilots in all seats in class at the same time to make room for them as everyone moves up.

If they do stop for the first two thirds of 2011 it will be an approach they have never taken before. It costs a ton of money to start a hiring program only to start it and then suspend it after a few months.

Looks like the poolies of fNWA are getting called for interviews. Just had a buddy in the"pool" called for an interview. Very good on big D for giving these guys interviews.

Good points!

Also, watch global air freight. It has been a very reliable indicator going into, and coming out of recessions. Right now, there are a lot of positive signs there. Airlines typically use Causal methods in forecasting which are only good for a couple of years at best. Again, there are positive indicators going forward so let's hope for continued improvement.



Al

I don't see the bold part as being true for new hires. There is no reason why they can't be in the school house in the summer. They aren't being pulled off the line to switch airplanes, so there isn't a loss in the system.

Most of the instructors are DGS, so no loss there. Any SLI instructors are probably less busy because they aren't doing as much CQ or Captain upgrades as normal, to keep people on the line for the summer. (a smart training dept would train people expiring in June in May, and August people in Sept).

In 2007 they hired and trained right through the summer. In 2008, the hired in March/April and probably trained through the summer as well.

The question here is asked from a totally different perspective....definitely not staffing related. They are checking to see of you have a training, flying, disciplinary issue. I would check 'no'.

Me 2, and with no "official" policy :rolleyes:

They implied, you inferred.

With the company going to 9 month CQ cycles, it will even out the training resources/availibility anyway.

I agree. Everyone needs to remember that when they spooled things up in 2007 they were only going to hire a couple hundred. That turned out to be 700.

I was told personally by BB that Delta will never say exactly what the plan is as far as hiring goes. If they have a hiring department up and running and they are saying 305, I'd be my next check that there will be more than that unless the economic indicators they are looking at turn out to be wrong. They may have some months with very small classes or maybe even a month with no classes, but I think we'll see guys coming in for most of 2011.

Any military guys getting called?

Three of the first five hired were military.

New hire training does not function in a vacuum. If you were to hire 300 new hires in the spring they have to go to a seat on a aircraft. That means you have to move 300 pilots off that seat to another seat. That means moving those pilots ect...
In order to sustain hiring year round the company has to overstaff the airline by about 5 to 10 percent depending on the amount of hiring. By hiring only in the fall the company can avoid some of that overstaffing which leads sadly to furloughs or surplus pilots not needed. If the economy continues to improve they may hire year round however without a major aircraft order that is not likely. We will begin to max out our current assets and hiring will only be on a attrition basis. I hope that changes with a aircraft order however no one know is talking about a order at this point. The only wildcard is the 787 discussions.

I am not sure about tons of money. A new hire is a training slot like any other training slot. We have many years ramped down the training department for the summer. We are doing it this year. We did it last year. There is some admin staff that would not be needed however normally they simply move them over to some other projects and then back when interviews will start. Not a huge deal or huge cost.