I spoke with BB 2 weeks ago. He said there are just over 10,000 apps on file. Not that that means there are 10,000 apps that meet their criteria, but there are 10,000+ apps.

Good attitude, and I would think with those creds you'd have gotten an invite by now, but who really knows what exact criteria they're using. Hope you have a LOR or two. If not, try hitting up some guys you know who've left and are with the company. I'm probably sounding like master of the obvious with that one, but you never know. Best of luck to you, sir.

My guess is that is probably apps that they are interested in. A few guys were told about a month ago they had over 7K apps.

All of the training fail issues are addressed in the LOA's. I suggest you go read them. Also, I know that we have talked about the flows coming off of probation, but I cannot find any language in any of the three LOA's that address the flows that states this. Flow downs are off probation is they have over 12 months with DAL or flow to a Capt position, but it does not address the flow up. That said, they will be able to deal with whomever they want.

CPS flows 20 per month to a max of 25% of their list and Mesaba flows 9 per month.
The hold backs get a seniority number on the date they were to be in class, and start collecting longevity. All of this is addressed in those pesky little LOA's. They are a long read though.

As for the MEC issue. It is done, and decided, fighting over yesterday's spilled milk serves no one. CPS has their own MEC. An opportunity lost? Probably.
If the 195 was a decent platform you may see a push for the CPS list merged, but since it is old technology, it probably will not be. DCI is going to change and we will all have to watch as that story develops.

Congrats to the FIVE of EIGHT pilots that made it past day one today! Hope tomorrow goes well.

They have over 10,000 applications on file. For what its worth the hiring profile is going to be a bit different this round then last time. They were less then thrilled with some of the new hires and this is not just about flying. Personal conduct became an issue to often.

Sailing, I am sure that is true!

Guess I screwed it up for everyone! :D

Its funny how a small minority can screw it up for everyone. Just look at the situation in Atlanta with the cheese graters. Probably not a chance in a million now of getting programs like that expanded. The rules were not that hard yet people would not stick with them.

I know, we had pilots that think they did not need to walk arounds, pilots that do not commute in for SC, pilots that abuse sick time, pilots that cop attitudes etc.
The rules are not that intrusive and really require no more of an inconvenience. They generally like pilots that do the right thing because it is the right thing, not out of fear. As with everything there are those that surprise even those of us that recommended them.

Do people not know that there are TSA agents at every exit trying to bust us because some of us could not follow the rules? Heck I was a civvie this weekend and had my badge on. I came up the elevator and got accosted. I am darn glad that I did not lose my ticket this time. Happened a few years ago, and my son had pulled the ticket out of my bag. That was ugly, but when I told them what line I went though at the main security checkpoint, that called and confirmed it with the video tape. Saved my bacon.

Just do the right thing even if it is a pita. If not for yourself for the next guy.

If you're offering, I accept...j/k...maybe. Working on the internal LOR's. Have one from a college buddy who lost his medical and is now a FA. Trying to get 1 or more from current pilots, so we'll see. Would be nice to be on a plane you can stand up in....the dream of any 6'3" pilot.

Pilots that flow up from mesaba are required to serve the delta probationary period. So yes, management can fire the undesirables the first day of class for no reason.

That was how I read it, but given the fact that many ppl in the "know" have stated otherwise, I qualified my words.

Dear Lord please tell me that isn't as true as i sadly believe it is, nevermind actually...

Its just funny how many people can think the world revolves not only around them but that the world knows what they want and is trying to get it done before they ask. :rolleyes:

Busting training as a new hire seems to me to be uncommon, but it happened to one in our class who I'd say had a stellar attitude and lets say, came from a good background. They just didn't pass their checkrides. Also, I think one was removed in the class prior to me per their background check. So its not out of the realm, come in with a high horse and I'm sure you'll be a target. I know they track problems during training so just because you have a different instructor every morning at 5am doesn't mean that guy is not in the loop.

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As to firing pilots while on a flow, if you're Delta and flow down to CPZ and then are fired, are you automatically fired at Delta as well? Is that in the LOA, if so I'll go find it and read it.

Go read it FtB! Report back with some picture of a poor pilot in a prison! :D

FtB;
That are just the ones that I have heard. I cannot believe someone would not do a walk around, but yep, true. Not commuting in for your SC requirement, yep true.

Delta is a very hard airline to get fired from. A good attitude will go a long way and the company will bend over backwards to help. A bad attitude or a willfull disregard of the rules however is something they hate to see. Delta is like a elephant. They have a very long memory.

Super;

With my dentist mirror held up to the computer screen just right, I see nipple. Well played.

I hope everyone gets hired. Numbers I've heard are roughly equivalent to some big regionals. Good luck to all. I'm gonna have to buy a lot of new guys a cerveza, but I'm good for it.

Don't be a weenie, be yourself and you should do fine in the interview. No excuses on the general aviation knowledge stuff.

Scambo, we are too look past that little observation. We would not want it to be deemed inappropriate!

I agree, do not be a weenie during the interview, in class, or on the line. I love this place, and the pilots we fly with are awesome. I do not get some of the stories, but that is just me. Sometimes I think that people go out of their way to make life difficult.

You are on the 777, I do not see you buying beer for any new hire! (unless you knows something I do not know)

Would DAL have to take the "undesirables" in the flow thru? I would think there is language/policy somewhere to prevent this.

Per JG this morning, all flowups will serve a standard Delta probationary period.

That is how I read the LOA's in regard to flows.

They have to take anyone who meets the criteria. Plain and simple.

I sent you a PM.

My buddy just got the email! I'm stoked for him!

How many LORs an what were his numbers?

5 internal LORs & 2500 PIC Turbine.

man, 2500. Lucky him. Last time the fist few classes all had over 5000 PIC turbine. Well most.

Ugh, Deltapilots.org keeps sending me to alpa.org, I can't get our MEC site. Even when I selected it from the alpa site.

Try dal.alpa.org - seems to be working.

That worked for some reason.... scratch that, I lied. I clicked on library on our dal.alpa.org page and it its the public page only. So I clicked on login and it takes me to alpa.org and then I'm stuck there. Oh well, I'll save reading the LOA's for tomorrow.
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As to not taking the undesirables, it wouldn't be a flow if you could pick who you wanted. Hence, you could be turned down by every airline you interview with but you are guaranteed a job, thats the downside for the mainline carrier with a flow through. In the case of Coex and sounds like it could happen again, a person interviews out of seniority order and gets turned down, they get to come anyways but later. We had that and there was a Coex CA, absolutely jerk of a guy, turned down by CAL but did eventually flow up junior to those behind him, he flowed back down after 9/11 and was nearly fired if not fired for numerous problems. I honestly can't remember if he was or not.

I thought CPZ was interviewed by NWA pilots from the beginning, is that the case with Mesaba?

I doubt it - The Mesaba pilots who will flow thru first where hired at least ten years ago, prob more like 15 - The flow was not even thought of then. CPZ started up with the flow in place from the first pilot, from what I understand so the interview was just like the NWA from what I heard.

As ACL said congrats to the 5 of 8. 4 of which were ex military I believe.

Is he an XJT pilot?

Sent you a PM.

I was told three active mil, one Regional and one internal.

sounds like a good mix !

I have a question. My friend was offered a job at NWA and then the classes were stopped. He (along with a couple of other pilots he knows in the same position) has heard nothing from Delta about his status. Does anybody know if he should just re-apply and hope for the best? Is there somebody they can contact? Has Delta just started over from scratch with these guys since it was NWA and not Delta that gave them an employment offer?

I think if he wants and interview he needs to apply with DAL. I don't think they will call him if he doesn't appy to Delta. JMO

Something I forgot during the CVG meeting. Perhaps someone at the MSP meetings can confirm.

Jim Graham mentioned "doing the right thing" for the fellas who had classes cancelled before the merger/pull down of flights. He didn't get into any specifics other than just that.

So it seems they know, and somethings in the works. Stay tuned.

good to hear!

Sorry. I made a mistake. He's had an active application for a while and still hasn't heard anything.

Can you tell me when Captain Graham made that comment? Thanks