Negotiations have also been going on for years with many individuals on both sides of the fence saying that an agreement is just around the corner frequently throughout the process.

Don't get your hopes up. If you come to Pinnacle, Colgan, or Mesaba, plan on working under the current agreement for the duration of your employment. Anything else would be foolish.

yeah i saw..since 08...how long can they prolong the negotiations??...

TAKE COVER!!!!!!!!

hehe.......

can someone clarify some other things for me?..is it true u dont get travel bennys till after your 90 days??

When I went through over two years ago, we chose our base within the first few days of class. DTW has traditionally been the junior base, but that's probably going to change now that JFK is coming into the light.

I've been on reserve here for over two years, and I'm not going to sugarcoat it...IT SUCKS!! You are typically on call five days out of the week. The minimum days off are 10, and be prepared to get junior manned or extended. Hope this helps;)

so if you're on call 5 days a week..and u commute...are you able to commute home on ur last day of work?..or u have to commute on ur off days?...which means ull only be home for 1 day?...

what does junior manned or extended mean?

I'll let those familiar with how things at Pinnacle work answer the first question.

As for the second question...

Extended: Involuntarily forced to continue working beyond your scheduled end day / time. ie: You're supposed to finish on friday night and you are forced to work overnight into saturday.

Juniormanned: Involuntarily forced to work on your day off, unconnected to other work. ie: You are off friday, saturday, and sunday. You're called on thursday and told you are involuntarily being forced to fly on saturday. This is called being "juniormanned" due to the fact that they are usually assigned to the most junior pilot who is capable of flying the trip that day. That means you, reserves.


Airlines have a varying degree of contractual protections against these (amount of times, ways they can get you, pay treatment, etc), but I wouldn't expect much protection at Pinnacle, and from what I hear, it happens quite often.

(I will answer the first question in your own language)

dpnz wer u lv n wat flt skeds r lik

(For the rest of you...)
It depends on where you live and what the flight schedules are. For example, if your duty period ends at 10pm and the last flight home leaves at 8pm, then enjoy another night in the crashpad.

To answer the first question: Sometimes you can get lucky...my buddy commuted to AL from DTW for over a year and sometimes he'd be done with an assignment by, say, 5pm and he'd have more than enough time to get home that day and not worry about traveling on an off day. It didn't always work out that way though. Other times he'd get done around 10pm and then he'd be SOL and have to commute home on a day off, get there that night, and then leave the next afternoon to come back...wasn't pretty to watch. If you're senior enough on reserve you can bid for RRL (ready reserve late); it starts at 1900 and they usually give it to you on day 1 of 5. It's almost like having an extra day off. I know a reserve guy who commutes to DTW from Seattle, and he'll catch the early flight out of SEA and arrive in DTW in the afternoon...not too bad considering...

Nope. You should have your pass travel and jumpseating privileges from the date of issuing your crew ID badge (well, maybe CASS might take a few days dunno... but soon afterwards).

Keep in mind: Delta requires employees to activate their employee pass travel benefits by logging onto their TravelNet system and paying an annual $50 activation fee based off of your hire date. You will not be able to non-rev without it.

thanks for the clarification!

anyone know if Pinnacle acknowledges domestic partnership for travel bennys?

Yes, they do, but I think you have to show proof of partnership going back six months.

thanks..good to hear...how do u prove 5 years of a relationship?...i can show them my grey hair!

Pinnacle ATL Base
 

Hey whats goin on, can any one post info on the the pinnacle ATL base, is it a jr or sr , chances of getting ATL as a new hire, and how long it might take to get ATL if hired and stuffed in another base, yeah i live here. Thanx

To my knowledge its a CRJ900 base, which mean more money and more people want to fly it. Therefor is more senoir. When I interviewed they said they pretty much had vacencies at all bases except ATL. Although most new hires would be going to JFK cause that is where they need people the most due to the new opening of the new base in october..

Anyone???:D

I know they said they plan on hiring 65 but does Anyone have info on continued hiring??

disregard.

what do u mean by cracking down?..as in eliminating domestic partnership bennefits?..

domestic partnership doesn't only pertain to homosexuals...what bout a man and women who've been together for a long period of time who aren't legally married?

I know there was a recent article on DLNET regarding employee travel abuse so I wish they would "crack down" on travel abuse. (btw, an interesting article).

I was catching a flight the other day and this older guy walked up to the agent to get his ticket after the agent called for him. When he approached, the agent asked him who he worked for and he replied "Delta". After further questioning (for some reason), he changed his story to say he was a "dependent." His age clearly gave him away so the agent asked "how old are you and are you in school?" To which the guy THEN said he was a registered dependent (in school or something). The agent made a remark about him requiring a "paper coupon" and asked if he paid his fee yet..dunno but he was near the last guy to board the plane.
He was at least in his mid-late 30's.

Rumor was and this was from a fairly good source that they wanted to hire 100 aditional more pilots ( after the first 65) at the end of this year or the very begining part of next year.,,, Ofcourse being in this business everything is subject to change.

disregard.

I was down in MEM today for my Sim. The APD says they are looking at about 180 ish new hire. I'm not sure when when they want these new hires by.

Could someone please take down my quote on post 141? After re-reading it, it might come off as offensive. It was never intended that way.

180ish? So if you could get hired early, you may not have to be on reserve or you'll at least beable to choose which base to be on reserve at correct??

Same for me.
 

Yes! Waiting for the FedEx pkg now. Will they send us some books in the meantime to get a head start? Sort of bummed we won't get the id until we're done. Wouldn't mind coming home for a weekend. Or Thanksgiving.

Same for me.
 

Yes! Just waiting on the FedEx pkg now.

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willflyforfood.com has the gouge.

I think it is hillarious that they are hiring 160 or 180 or whatever but upgrading no one. DTW just lost 15 captains to JFK and they decided to backfill none of them. They will tell you that we lost some flying hours in DTW but the rest of us know that all they are doing is bringing the staffing right back to the point where it only works in good weather.

Go to the pinnacle page on apc and there's a link to a gouge there.

Very simple..no test..no sim..just be urself

Thats what they are doing at Mesaba as well, we have had 3 or 4 realignment notices increasing captain slots and decreasing Saab FO slots but not creating secondary vacancies...so it didn't take long to go to the Pinnacle staffing plan over here...we will be running pretty slim until airplanes start going away in January

During my time in new hire class, if we had 5 or more days off in a row, we could non-rev (not jumpseat). It was about the same price as a ZED pass. This was 4+ years ago, when it was with NWA benefits. I don't know if they will offer the same thing now.

A buddy of mine over there said that they were running a few upgrade classes ??? Maybe not.....

They are upgrading, but those upgrades in the school house right now are going to JFK. The complaint is they are not backfilling those domiciles where current captains are vacating to go to JFK.

So here's my question, at some point they will hire off the street but there will still be Mesaba guys who haven't been offered classes. Will the Mesaba guys who take classes AFTER the first off the street hires be slotted above the off the streets on Pinnacle's list based on their Mesaba Seniority. Example: Off the street guy A is hired Oct12 with another 20 off the street guys with him. Mesaba guy B is hired Nov12. Is Mesaba guy B senior to Off the street guy A and all his class mates at Pinnacle?

If you get in early, chances are you will have your choice of base. This doesn't necessarily mean you will skip reserve. Keep in mind that seniority list integration still has to take place and has the potential to keep newhires low on the totem pole for some time.

Don't come to Pinnacle expecting to be on reserve for little or no time. We have first officers who have been on reserve for 2-3 years now and all feel they have paid their dues. This is not to say we would like to see you sit reserve for just as long, but just to be somewhat sensitive over your expectations.

If I understood your question correctly, then the answer is yes.

The memorandum of understanding signed between Pinnacle and Mesaba states:

And to throw another big toss-up...

The MOU also lets furloughed Mesaba pilots to keep their Mesaba recall rights. Some furloughed Mesaba pilots who have snubbed Pinnacle and Colgan's offer of employment seem to think they are going to be "recalled" for placement on an integrated seniority list at Pinnacle - which may or may not happen. Our MEC's have not yet officially spoken about integration methods... but if they do, off the street new hires will be held down if the furloughs do later decide to come to Pinnacle.