Well I am in the first new hire class ( off the street ) in Sept. And I do know the feeling of being stuck with no movement for 3 1/2 years but man I would also hate to come to Pinnacle to only have Mesaba pilots keep drillng me down the senoirity list...... :confused::confused: I guess I have to keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Does anyone know if Pinnacle provides medical/dental coverage to domestic partners?

What are competitive minimums at pinnacle ??

They just posted another vacancy. More captain spots and fo spots in all the bases.

mins are 1000/200. Competitive probably 3-5 times that. I would think even the most junior FO here now has a couple thousand hours in the CRJ.

Welcome to the airlines!

For some reason that statement makes me sick.

All I mean by that is I have been a guy who is on reserve for a long time (years) just like those who have been stuck on the bottom for years with no movement. I fully give respect to those who are getting that shaft by being furloughed etc..

there may be more to the story than what you read... but that is why we have bad a*s internet forums..... :)

I am a Mesaba pilot. I haven't accepted a class date yet. It is my understanding that since I chose not to go to the earlier classes my seniority at Pinnacle will be for the date of class I can take. So in this case you will be above me on the Pinnacle seniority list as a Sept. hire.

however, this may not be the case whenever SLI comes through. apparently a draft for SLI that the Colgan/Pinnacle/Mesaba Mec's have been working on stipulates a date and everyone hired on after said date will not go ahead of people on the list prior to it, even if it goes relative seniority. This will be ok for you too though because there will be more Colgan new-hires in the future than at Pinnacle.

Also try not to think you are getting screwed, you just got a job at a a regional with a long term CPA, at a good point in the industry.

Even if you took the class you would be at the bottom of the list, once they figure out how to merge the seniority list, that is the only time you would use your former Mesaba seniority number. What are you holding off for in accepting the job offer?

Bueller???!

I'm flying on a Contract which ends in a month, so I'm trying not to break my end of the contract by leaving early.

Who are you flying for and where? I'm always curious what sort of jobs everyone found while on furlough.




Welcome Back Soon!!!!

The company hasn't required the seniority resignation in the past.

I would hate to get bumped down the list when it does all get to one SLI , however I do fully understand that is how it works and I do feel they belong a head of me all day long as far as seniority goes esp if they were furloughed from earlier. at my small place I have been near the bottom of the list for just about 3 1.2 years.

...... the risks we all take ;)

Thanks I got a job flying for an aircraft leasing company, multi turbine pic which was nice. But, (and many may find this amusing.) I'm looking forward to coming back to the regionals, even at the bottom of this list so I can have a better QOL!

And as far as the Mesaba furloughs go the majority of them were furloughed from airline's prior to Mesaba. So I would say most of their original hire dates at a regional were in 07.

What is the QOL at Pinnacle? Is the pay going to rise?

what if your head rolls around and your arms swing wildly while you walk into the interview? What if you try to marshall cars in the parking lot outside? What if you wear sunglasses in the cockpit so it makes you look like youre just casually lookig out the window when, in fact, you're actually dreaming about unicorns? :cool:

haha!............

pinnacle pay will hopfully be going up...once they get all the lists together...it will be what mesaba's scale is..or better..

If it isn't better than Mesaba's pay......it won't pass.

so the pay must be better than mesaba's?...and if it doesnt pass..what happens then..

The merger will drag out for years and no one wins. Pinnacle has bought multiple airlines and bought numerous airplanes, they have the money to pay their employees. I would rather shut the place down than work for crappy wages. The fight for better wages and work rules has to start somewhere.

If you are not willing to walk....you will never get a better contract. The investors in Pinnacle would rather make some than nothing.

Welcome back, I'm still hanging on to the the SAAB in MSP, but not for long.....

This is really a worst case scenario...

Have some faith that the negotiating team can get us a good TA. Pinnacle wants it done so they can move the planes to Pinnacle as well as merge Colgan/Mesaba into the new Mesaba. I think it will get done, perhaps not Nov. 15th, but I am sure we will be voting on a TA soon.

No one wants to shut the place down but you must be willing to. I will not vote to work under a crap contract either. I keep hearing just give us the XJ rates and that is not gonna work for us. Both Colgan and Pinnacle pilots would get raises as well as pinnacle getting a signing bonus while the XJ guys get status quo.....a concessionary agreement.

I think the big push is to get it done before December 1. That is the day XJ guys get a 4% raise across the board plus on December 31 we get a per diem jump and restoration of our yearly uniform allowance, I think it is $235 If I don't see current rates + 4% + some, it is a no vote.

If anyone wonders why the XJ concessionary agreement is so much better than most, it is because the pilot group put it all on the line. Shutting the doors was a better idea than accepting huge pay cuts in the bankruptcy. That is why the mentality of shutting down the airline (strike) is so powerful. We forced management to work with us instead of accepting whatever they gave us.

I wonder if it will be a blended rate like at Mesaba or fleet specific for FOs.

You do have to remember this is not just about XJ though. There are two other pilot groups negotiating here as well. If we are to get something passed as 1 pilot group we cannot expect so much. Mesaba plus is a great idea but to expect Mesaba pay at all three carriers + 4% + even more is a bit much and most likely wont happen. Trust me I want it just as much as you do, but I dont see Pinnacle giving the Colgan/Pinnacle Inc guys such a huge raise. If it happens I will be pleasently surprised but I do not expect that to happen. I will personally be happy if we even get the XJ contract at this point.

Also keep in mind its about more than just pay rates, work rules and benefits are also important. Colgan has no work rules right now besides FAR's.

Way to go, that's the spirit. :rolleyes:

Mesaba plus is a great idea but to expect Mesaba pay at all three carriers + 4% + even more is a bit much and most likely wont happen

WRONG!

I would have been happy getting up to Mesaba's rates when Colgan was by itself. Pinnacle CORP knew when they purchased Mesaba, they would be paying no less than Mesaba wages. We must negotiate as if we already had Mesaba's contract and push for appropriate increases.

A 7th year CA and 3rd year FO (Saab) at Mesaba earn a combined $90 pre hour. A 4% increase is $3.50 total for both crew members.... or about 20 CENTS per hour per passenger assuming 17 pax per flight. Certainly, that ticket increase would NOT stop many people from flying.

It WILL happen IF we push hard enough!

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If it isn't better than the Mesaba contract then no one at Mesaba will vote for it. Why would the Pinnacle pilots that have been fighting for 6 years for a real contract vote for a concessionary contract from another regional? Unless it is an industry leading contract it won't pass. Are you listening joint MEC members? If it isn't a industry leading contract don't bother!

YUCK!!!!!!!!!!! This is the problem with Colgan/Pinnacle/ Mesaba joint contract, two thirds of that group get a raise just by going to Mesaba's contract. For the love of all that is holy, MESABA PLUS OR NOTHING. The TA better have everything Mesaba currently has and a raise or you're handing management free money and screwing the guys who fought for Mesaba's contract in the first place. Please don't settle for what Mesaba currently has, it's an old contract and signing it again get you stuck with it for... oh.... TEN YEARS? or however long it will take Pinnacle to come back to the table.

Hey congratulations man. That's good news. Now help us make this place better.

Got the call today too. Interviewed yesterday. Mosquito, I'll look for you in class.

I sure hope so, because I thought about leaving my sinking ship regional and make the jump to Pinnacle. I've already gotten an interview invite but I turned it down after reading through the PNCL contract (if you can even call it that). $20.47/hr to start, no major pay increase after several years, 10 days off, reducible to 8, worst reserve rules I've ever seen, and the list goes on.

Good Luck and I hope you guys can (finally) maybe get a good contract together.

Nice. Could you guys post some gouge? I'm hoping to get an interview soon. I had a friend who talked to m. Maynard and she said for me to send her a resume. I did so last Friday and she got back to me within 5 mins. I was about 10 hours short on the multi requirement and she said to update her as soon as I got it. I'm taking this as a good sign. I hit 200 multi a couple days ago and im taking the atp written on Monday so I'm going to update her then.

Here's hoping for an interview soon. Hopefully a job too to help negotiate a better contract for all 3 groups.

This is what I am talking about......we won't vote for a flat line contract. The company asked for concessions before bankruptcy to bring 200s into XJ. The pilot group said no pay cuts.....and the 200s came anyway. Don't let management fool you.....they can afford to pay us respectable wages and they will not shut down the company to avoid doing just that.

XJ contract plus some or this thing will get dragged out forever......

Thanks, yeah i will make it a better place.

How are you going to do that?