Did you (or anybody that went to the job fair and talked to AA) happen to get any info, as to what the folks who did not receive the TBNT email can expect?

 

That question was asked and they said that the guys who got it either failed the video or the inital test on the app. I'm in the same boat you are it sounds like by not getting it so sounds like good news!!

 

Thanks for that, there was a lot of speculation as to why people were getting the email, i.e. too old, no community service, over qualified, under qualified, no internal recs, ect. So we can put those theories to bed. Good luck.

 

Re: internal recs. Two or three off the street hires have stated that they have no internal recs.

At least two sub 3000 hr TT guys were hired(* see below). One with no internal recs.

^^^ Unofficial information from guys who said they, or a buddy, spoke with the newhires.

Question was asked at MIA job fair about lack of TPIC for stagnated FO's. Presenter said they realize guys are in that situation and that would be factored into the evaluation. Sounds like high PIC/TPIC might not be a requirement(* see above).

 

That sucks as there are guys that have been waiting to get the call to interview at AA since 2001 with 1000 PIC 121.

 

It sucks *IF* you think the guy with the most TT, or TPIC, should be hired first. For the guys who havn't been able to upgrade it's gives some hope.

Some of the mid/late 1980 newhire AA guys were fairly low time. Some of those guys are involved in the hiring process. They realize if *THEY*, as a 3000 TT newhire years ago, were good enough then AND have done well since then what's the point of expecting or demanding Superman resumes today?

Trying to find the balance is the hard part and AA isn't telling us where they've decided the balance point is. And there's always been some uncertainty as to how different airlines pick different candidates. Nothing's changed in that regard.

 

AA required TPIC in the last hiring cycle. Plenty of guys had that. Fast forward to 2014 and there are lot of decent pilots who havn't had the opportunity to upgrade. It appears that AA mgt has made the decision to open up the size of the applicant pool by not requiring TPIC for at least some, or a percentage, of the newhires.

Roughly half the newhires will be the AE 824. The other half is off the street. No one knows if AA is allowing EVERY off the street slot to be filled by a 'less' experienced candidate. Or maybe they said - 25 off the street per month, find 5 Superman, not more than 3 sub 3000hr TT guys, and everyone else in between. Or maybe it will be much more random.

As more guys are hired, and their resumes become known, AA's desires might become more obvious. Or, like it's almost always been for airline hiring, it will remain an unknown that frustrates guys trying to get hired.

 

Sounds to me like they are looking for a broad mix of experience. Apply and make your application as strong as possible. Everything else is out of your control. I am really hoping for a call, but if my credentials do not fit what they are looking for, then that is unfortunate for me.
Keep updating and networking. They will call or they won't. Luck favors the prepared.

 

Presenter said - put as much detail as possible into the ** application **. Details and additional info can help, especially on an electronic system.

Resumes? They should be shorter, cleaner, and clearer. Average resume gets ** 6 ** seconds of review. You will get more time but make sure the most important stuff is obvious. FAPA folks said "we tell them that all the time."

Figure out the top 3/4/5 flight experience you want the reviewer to see and make sure your resume format highlights that. IMO TT, PIC, TPIC, Jet/Turboprop. Type ratings. MIL IP. CKA. Night time? Meh. Instrument time? Meh. Part 121? Ugh. If your resume is full of 121 flying the reviewer will know you have 121 time. It muddies your resume when you want him to focus on the big 3/4/5. If you're a ANG/reserve and civilian making that #5 might be good - TT, PIC, TPIC, Jet, MIL/Civilian TT *IF* you think it helps improve your resume.

Drop the fluff and it leaves space for the community service stuff. Coaching kids team is service, helping at schools, union work, mentoring, teaching, charities, the list is endless.

If you're a military fighter guy you don't have to use 5 lines of text explaining duties. For non flying jobs? Sure. But not for a flying job. A reviewer/interviewer will know OR ask you about it if necessary. If it's unique put it down.

eg. -

F-15C/D IP, Stan/Eval,
F-15E IP, Safety IMO is good enough.

IMO some of the stuff is obvious (IP, Stan/Eval, PIC, TPIC). Others less so (CSAR, FAC, ALO). IMO shorter is better UNLESS it's really special and you want it to stand out so the reviewer can ask OR you can mention it. Putting down ATCTIPY is confusing. "Awarded Air Training Command Top IP of the Year" needs to be spelled out. ;-)

Airline guy? Don't put down 4 lines of fluff - responsible for safe operation, adherence to company policies, etc, etc. with each job. That's what we ALL do.

If you have something additional/special mention it. *** IT GETS LOST IF YOU HAVE LINES AND LINES OF UNNECESSARY FLUFF ***

Listing your AF training medal, or 'alive in '91 medal' is pointless. Air Force Cross? Silver Star? Mention it.

 

Thanks for the response Hercguy. I saw at another thread that people had issues with the assessment test, too. I did email tech support and they said that they are aware of the issue and they are working to fix it. Let me know if you learn something different on the matter.