PotatoChip

So a barber shop in North Philly that has nine employees that are all black is racist? A fire department in rural Iowa with all white firefighters is racist?

Give me a break.

ItnStln

I once asked one of my black employees who was complaining that he was one of only three black employees in the district this question after telling both my boss and myself that it was racist: I asked him "if blacks aren't applying for the job how can we interview and hire them?" He didn't get what I was saying, as we had to u terrier all employees who applied.

GogglesPisano

Yes. We need to promote being a barber to white Palo Alto high school seniors -- in the name of diversity.

kevbo

I wonder how our new president feels about this subject?

Ludicrous Speed

No and no. But your examples are are obvious non-sequiturs and do not prove your statement. When there is lack of diversity on a larger scale (and there is), that is an indicator of racism. i.e., How many times have you seen a magazine featuring the 25 highest paid CEO's and they're all white men. Or an even better example, conviction rates for drug possession are much higher with blacks than whites, even though actual drug use between whites and blacks are about the same.


No, you give me a break.

PotatoChip

Agree to disagree. I'm fine with that.

2StgTurbine

Call me a pessimist, but I have very little faith that sexism and racism will be solved on the internet, much less on APC.

popcorn

It's entertaining every time I see white males in aviation talking about how they are getting hosed because they are white males. Women make up about 5% of airline pilots. The reasons for that don't matter. What matters is because of the small numbers, women have more visibility. You notice the females, the males are just another uniform in the crowd. Everyone has a story about "that girl who couldn't fly". They probably flew with scores of males who sucked, but didn't stand out. Male privilege is a real thing. It's a fact that these perceptions and biases force female pilots to work that much harder, because no one wants to be labeled "that girl". Male pilots can be mediocre all day, but if a female flies that way, she gets the stigma. Someone else mentioned "career off ramps". Yes, until science finds a way to make men have babies (trust me, we're pulling for you), women who want a family are going to have to take some time out of their career, even with an accommodating spouse. This is a big bart of the glass ceiling (another real thing) and the fact that women make less than men who do the same jobs, and achieve less promotions. Penalties for taking that time off.

So when you see "diversity programs", don't assume it's because airlines have some ulterior motive to hiring minorities and women. It's because corporations realize that these societal biases tilt the playing field away from minorities and women, and they want to level the playing field. Even with all of this "diversity hiring", the percentages of minorities and women in aviation has remained relatively unchanged. As for the popular theory that checking boxes is an immediate route to a dream job, the "happy monday" crowd knows better and has worked just as hard to get there as you, and in many cases, harder.

Treehorn

Wrong!


Every female I can think of that has been along my same ranks here and there at different companies throughout my career are now at Delta, United, Fedex, and UPS. They most certainly are acquired by the majors like theyre some sort of rare Pokémon. Some of them are even average pilots.

f10a

+100........