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Old 12-23-2016, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NMuir View Post
Most white parents can't either.

I was stuck in the middle no mans land where my parents made too much money for me to qualify for student aid, but not enough to actually pay for everything themselves.
That was my case as well, weird how that happened. I worked full time all through school as well to supplement my CFI income.

Originally Posted by alphonso1 View Post
There are NOT a lot of African Americans that have Parents That can afford to send their kids to Embry Riddle, Dowling College, or any other Flying School.
True, a sad reality.

See above.

Interesting enough, I was teaching at a school that had a relationship with OBAP. Many of the students that were coming through had parents that were a mix of airline pilots, lawyers, engineers, etc.

So they're part of an organization that's helping them get their multi and 100 hours ME ASAP to get them a job at a regional, with healthy financial backing.

IOW, they aren't really the ones needed a "leg up" so to speak to pursue the career.....
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Old 12-23-2016, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by alphonso1 View Post
I've never seen any Discrimination Practices from my POV.

I'm African American and I've been flying professionally since
Where you born in Africa?
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Old 12-23-2016, 06:04 PM
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Flying is an expensive proposition that tends to omit and/or at some point, starve out all but the most able, lucky, or well sponsored people. Very few minorities ever take lessons and somehow its the airlines fault. Larger companies are forced to hire from the bus stop and place them into positions above their experience level. This action creates a lot more sexism and racism than otherwise would exist.
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Old 12-24-2016, 02:24 AM
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This will sound arrogant, but this thread is absolutely ridiculous and should be closed. Truth is not all females want to be pilots,lumberjacks, etc, and not all African Americans aspire to be scientist, pilots, lumberjacks, etc. Not all white men aspire to be pilots, lumberjacks, scientist, etc. SO to put a "number" on it and say this profession or that profession is not represented EQUALLY is absolutely NOT true. The truth is you can't put a number on any profession because no one really knows what percentage of what any race wants to do with their life.

When you start assigning numbers of how each race should be represented in each profession you breed resentment, hatred and in some cases racism. Worst then that for the minorities who have really paid their dues and worked hard to achieve their goals are not given the respect they deserve.

The liberals who started this thread will never be happy in how minorities are represented in aviation.

We should not "NOT HIRE or NOT INTERVIEW" someone based on their genitalia or skin color - as a matter of fact its against the law. But we should also not "HIRE or INTERVIEW" someone based on their skin color or genitalia.

Almost all men I know are intellectually well beyond this view of seeing people through such a narrow minded prism. Someday I hope the shallow liberals will catch up with us.

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Old 12-24-2016, 07:02 AM
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dutch747,
Let's not get bigoted against liberals, or for that matter conservatives who historically have not faired that well dealing with sexism/racism. After all our new president thinks it's a-ok "to grab em by the p*ssy". Blaming sexism/racism on liberals is a pretty ridiculous stretch.


The longer this thread continues, the more obvious it becomes that sexism/racism still is a prevalent attitude, no matter how loudly people deny it. It's like the old saying "some of my best friends are black".

What I can tell you is I know many "minorities" that have battled very hard in this career field to get the positions that they have attained, and they weren't given any favors to get there. They have worked very hard to ensure that the negative stereotypes of their groups are not perpetuated. Are there a few rotten apples out there? Sure there are, but it is easier to denigrate them based on their sex/race than their competence. That way you can cast that attitude on all members of their group.

I have seen lack of competence in white males, but you never hear derogatory remarks about them on the basis of their sex or color. If anything it is more accepted and you have to give "Joe" a chance!

As far as going to the OBAP or WAI job fairs when not being a member of the any of those groups, your not going to see me attending, even though WM's and anyone else for that matter are welcomed with open arms. Why? Respect. You guys do what you want, I don't care.

This thread s*cks. There is nothing new here only more of the status quo.



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Old 12-24-2016, 07:25 AM
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Yes, there is racism, sexism, and overt/implicit bias throughout American society...including whites, blacks, Asians, Hispanics, men, women, sexually confused, Christians, Atheists, and yes, professional pilots.

The bias among professional pilots (as a whole) against minorities is certainly less than it used to be, but it does still exist.

Does that mean all professional pilots are biased? No. Does it mean "the system" is biased? No, absolutely not. Are there greater socioeconomic factors that play a far greater role than bias? I would argue absolutely.

While reality can and should be acknowledged...let us also not go exaggerating occurance or impact like it is some sort of fundamental flaw.
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Old 12-24-2016, 07:46 PM
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Thanks for the helpful replies everyone. To clarify the original intent of this thread, it was not meant to imply that I expect equal representation among minorities or women in aviation. I simply wanted the opinions of the professionals on this board as to whether or not you believed there is discrimination in the hiring process at your airlines. Not really sure where dutch747 got the idea that I wanted equal representation in any field of work. Again, thanks for the helpful responses everyone.
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Old 12-25-2016, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
Lack of diversity does not equal racism/sexism.
Yes it does.

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Old 12-25-2016, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Learflyer View Post
No one is denying racism still exists. It exists in different forms. It happens in some very unpopular situations on a very large basis. Such as...black on white, black on Asian, and black on gay. All very largely unreported. Not a popular stat to address, but it's the truth.

And white males are the only ones that are expected to change their ways. We're the easiest to pick on. Sorry if I'm a little rough. I come from a large law enforcement family.
I completely agree!
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Old 12-25-2016, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
Lack of diversity does not equal racism/sexism.
Well said. What ever happened to hiring the most qualified candidate for any job?
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