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Old 12-29-2017 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by citxls
I think the real let down (and I'm sure most would agree) is that JB management can easily make this airline one of the top airlines to work for and a great place to be long term. We have a great group of pilots who are willing to go above and beyond but don't due to the current status and delay of negotiations (thankfully.)

Having said that, they choose to fight us on narrow body pay and try to shove the culture card down our throats. Our union negotiators know what they're doing, its ultimately up to JB to get the good faith back from us and do the right thing.
Spot on. Bluedriver and I have talked about this. It’s the amazing waste of potential and talent here that is the sad part. They have everything they need but can’t get out of their own way and execute it.
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Old 12-30-2017 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pilot3198
the poor pilot-flight attendant relationship (which I think is greatly driven by their expectation of pilots cleaning the cabin)
Its the company that gives FAs this expectation. Its fed by some pilots who do help, who are then super appreciated.
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Old 12-30-2017 | 03:41 PM
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This is what FAs are told:

Pilots must clean when non-reving, if they don't then that's a pass riding violation.

Most pilots just walk off. Now I do not give a GD if they do or don't, what I do care about is the company using this issue to diminish our own perceived work load (while actually working or non-reving ourselves, because 99percent Inflight cleans when non-reving).

Basically the company has told us not to worry and its not a big deal to clean the planes because everyone is going to pitch in, when in fact more times than not no one outside of Inflight does.

So the company needs to enforce its own rules or admit this task is 100 percent on Inflights shoulders (which is fine, and can be used in future negotiations).
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Old 12-30-2017 | 05:23 PM
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You know who needs to clean the jet? The company that’s contracted to do it. FA’s, non-Rev’s and Pilots who “help out” are subjected to nasty stuff in the cabin. Let the pros who are properly equipped to handle a clean up duty do the job. The end.

Sorry. Irrelevant to the thread.

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Old 12-30-2017 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
These numbers would make sense if JetBlue went all E190, but it's only a quarter of Jetblue's fleet. Anyone staying as a 5 year FO on the 190 is probably doing it strictly for QOL.
This. These numbers aren't apples to apples. I'm a 4th year bus FO, and I will make twice the estimate here. I commute, don't pick up rsa/vda/rtf/wtf etc.

And let's not forget Endeavors recent history. 4 years ago Captains and FO's were capped at 4th year rates coming out of bk. This was after touting an industry leading JCBA, only to have Daddy Delta withhold payment and drive Endeavor into bk. From boom to bust, and now back to boom. I'm at JB because of that bust and I'm looking to leave. If you don't control your feed, you are living on borrowed time. Jb sure needs some work and we desperately need a contract, but it's still better than the uncertainty of the regionals. That being said, if I get a call to leave jb tomorrow, I'm out.
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Old 12-30-2017 | 07:11 PM
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Out of curiosity. I have seen some JetBlue crews wear a light blue shirt but as well as a darker one. Change in uniform lately?


Essayons!
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Old 12-31-2017 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Armybeatnavy
Out of curiosity. I have seen some JetBlue crews wear a light blue shirt but as well as a darker one. Change in uniform lately?


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The dark blue was probably a FA. With the new wool overcoats we all look the same now
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Old 12-31-2017 | 06:36 AM
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It’s funny to get off the jet and meet the inbound crew to discuss the jet/rides etc. “Sooo... Who’s the Captain”? All four of us look the same in black coats lol.
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Old 12-31-2017 | 07:06 AM
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Are people really that egocentric that they need to stand out in appearance to show rank? Guess you wouldn’t like it at corporate where everybody just wears business casual. I’ll take the warm wool coat over the stupid WWII bomber jacket which did nothing to cover my nuggets.
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Old 12-31-2017 | 07:40 AM
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I think the juicers have always had a little Stockholm syndrome. They sit there in their airport parking lot hotel rocking back and forth with blue latex gloves on and sixty 4 oz bottles of water scattered around them. The big three, SWA, and big cargo are just so enjoyable to work for right now that it is hard to argue for staying at JetBlue. There will always be risk in being on the bottom of a seniority list but working for an airline that can't define who cleans the damn airplane is either intentional or incompetent.
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