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Old 12-31-2017 | 07:45 AM
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[QUOTE=Rascal;2491196]I have been trying to move on from JetBlue for 2 years now. On paper I am fairly competitive but I am not getting any calls despite numerous friends at Legacies trying to help. At this point I am almost considering go back to the regional world and taking advantage of the flow/preferential interviews.


It is a sad state of affairs when Endeavour pilots are being compared to a "Major" airline.[/QUOTE

Have you seen Endeavor pay scale? It’s not bad for a Regional but it takes 4 years CPT pay to equal year 2 JetBlue FO pay, and unless you take LGA 200 Cpt. You can be on Reserve forever. I just flew with a 17 year Cpt in MSP who still can’t hold a line. As far as flow at Envoy my original class from 2011 still has 4 years till predicted flow. The people who are eligible to flow now just got told they can’t till they can staff Cpt’s. I wouldn’t say it’s all sunshine and rainbows in the Regional world.
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Old 12-31-2017 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
I think the juicers have always had a little Stockholm syndrome. They sit there in their airport parking lot hotel rocking back and forth with blue latex gloves on and sixty 4 oz bottles of water scattered around them. The big three, SWA, and big cargo are just so enjoyable to work for right now that it is hard to argue for staying at JetBlue. There will always be risk in being on the bottom of a seniority list but working for an airline that can't define who cleans the damn airplane is either intentional or incompetent.
It’s clearly defined in the FOM that flight attendants clean the plane and that pilots do not.

FOM 10.3.25 page 863 and 864
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Old 12-31-2017 | 09:39 AM
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[QUOTE=Choppersnplanes;2492497]
Originally Posted by Rascal
I have been trying to move on from JetBlue for 2 years now. On paper I am fairly competitive but I am not getting any calls despite numerous friends at Legacies trying to help. At this point I am almost considering go back to the regional world and taking advantage of the flow/preferential interviews.


It is a sad state of affairs when Endeavour pilots are being compared to a "Major" airline.[/QUOTE

Have you seen Endeavor pay scale? It’s not bad for a Regional but it takes 4 years CPT pay to equal year 2 JetBlue FO pay, and unless you take LGA 200 Cpt. You can be on Reserve forever. I just flew with a 17 year Cpt in MSP who still can’t hold a line. As far as flow at Envoy my original class from 2011 still has 4 years till predicted flow. The people who are eligible to flow now just got told they can’t till they can staff Cpt’s. I wouldn’t say it’s all sunshine and rainbows in the Regional world.
ATR DRIVER paints a way different picture of the regionals with brushes manufactured in paradise!
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Old 12-31-2017 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
Are people really that egocentric that they need to stand out in appearance to show rank? Guess you wouldn’t like it at corporate where everybody just wears business casual. I’ll take the warm wool coat over the stupid WWII bomber jacket which did nothing to cover my nuggets.

I never heard people complain when we wore the blue trench coats. I'm not a fan of the wool coat, but it's no different than wearing the trench in terms of knowing ones rank.
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Old 12-31-2017 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
It’s clearly defined in the FOM that flight attendants clean the plane and that pilots do not.

FOM 10.3.25 page 863 and 864
In the past 1.5 years I've only flown with management pilots who done the gloves. A few stand-up guys, but no latex wearers.
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Old 12-31-2017 | 11:22 AM
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[QUOTE=hyperboy;2492581]
Originally Posted by Choppersnplanes

ATR DRIVER paints a way different picture of the regionals with brushes manufactured in paradise!
Jetblue is a top-notch regional though HB, I agree with you there.
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Old 12-31-2017 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Choppersnplanes
Have you seen Endeavor pay scale? It’s not bad for a Regional but it takes 4 years CPT pay to equal year 2 JetBlue FO pay, and unless you take LGA 200 Cpt. You can be on Reserve forever. I just flew with a 17 year Cpt in MSP who still can’t hold a line. As far as flow at Envoy my original class from 2011 still has 4 years till predicted flow. The people who are eligible to flow now just got told they can’t till they can staff Cpt’s. I wouldn’t say it’s all sunshine and rainbows in the Regional world.
Not quite. Go back few pages and you will see a comparison between the pay. And MSP isn't where new CAs go. 2 yr CA can hold a line in ATL, NY, or maybe DTW (might be 2.5 years in DTW).
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Old 12-31-2017 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
It’s clearly defined in the FOM that flight attendants clean the plane and that pilots do not.

FOM 10.3.25 page 863 and 864
I am not a proponent of cleaning the cabin while on duty, the FOM is clear on what our responsibilities are and cleaning isn't one of them.

With that said, the company can set their not rev policies as they see fit. They're not dictated by the FOM. All other employee groups clean when utilizing their free rides. Pilots often don't, and that's what ****es off inflight. As a non rev you're an equal and when guys refuse to help during non rev travel you're acting like you're better than the other work groups.
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Old 12-31-2017 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer
I am not a proponent of cleaning the cabin while on duty, the FOM is clear on what our responsibilities are and cleaning isn't one of them.

With that said, the company can set their not rev policies as they see fit. They're not dictated by the FOM. All other employee groups clean when utilizing their free rides. Pilots often don't, and that's what ****es off inflight. As a non rev you're an equal and when guys refuse to help during non rev travel you're acting like you're better than the other work groups.
So you like the mandated training and the policy in general eh Cloud?
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Old 12-31-2017 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer
I am not a proponent of cleaning the cabin while on duty, the FOM is clear on what our responsibilities are and cleaning isn't one of them.

With that said, the company can set their not rev policies as they see fit. They're not dictated by the FOM. All other employee groups clean when utilizing their free rides. Pilots often don't, and that's what ****es off inflight. As a non rev you're an equal and when guys refuse to help during non rev travel you're acting like you're better than the other work groups.
Because pilots are better than other work groups. How many years of training/experience does it take to become a JetBlue Flight Attendant?
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