While Jetblue Stagnates....
02-01-2018, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Disagree
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But we can do that all day
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But we can do that all day
02-01-2018, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I would say few would not want UAL to buy us. Specifically the senior bubbas since they are the only ones with any kind of future at this dead end.
Let’s call it 50/50
02-01-2018, 04:52 PM
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To that end... I’m gonna blame the beer because I’ve tried to avoid this thread.
Jb is not stagnated. We are still taking delivery of an average of 14 frames a year for the next 6-7 years. We have 95 orders of airbus coming by 2024. They may differ some. They may cancel them. They may end up getting more that that.
Yes I’m well versed in the retirement numbers elsewhere and that it’s not growth until it’s at the gate. But currently. Now. We are growing at an average pace of 200-300/year. Not to mention the day the contract is ratified we’ll need another 10% added at a minimum for work rules and vacation.
Again just one mans opinion
Jb is not stagnated. We are still taking delivery of an average of 14 frames a year for the next 6-7 years. We have 95 orders of airbus coming by 2024. They may differ some. They may cancel them. They may end up getting more that that.
Yes I’m well versed in the retirement numbers elsewhere and that it’s not growth until it’s at the gate. But currently. Now. We are growing at an average pace of 200-300/year. Not to mention the day the contract is ratified we’ll need another 10% added at a minimum for work rules and vacation.
Again just one mans opinion
02-01-2018, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
To that end... I’m gonna blame the beer because I’ve tried to avoid this thread.
Jb is not stagnated. We are still taking delivery of an average of 14 frames a year for the next 6-7 years. We have 95 orders of airbus coming by 2024. They may differ some. They may cancel them. They may end up getting more that that.
Yes I’m well versed in the retirement numbers elsewhere and that it’s not growth until it’s at the gate. But currently. Now. We are growing at an average pace of 200-300/year. Not to mention the day the contract is ratified we’ll need another 10% added at a minimum for work rules and vacation.
Again just one mans opinion
Jb is not stagnated. We are still taking delivery of an average of 14 frames a year for the next 6-7 years. We have 95 orders of airbus coming by 2024. They may differ some. They may cancel them. They may end up getting more that that.
Yes I’m well versed in the retirement numbers elsewhere and that it’s not growth until it’s at the gate. But currently. Now. We are growing at an average pace of 200-300/year. Not to mention the day the contract is ratified we’ll need another 10% added at a minimum for work rules and vacation.
Again just one mans opinion
02-01-2018, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
To that end... I’m gonna blame the beer because I’ve tried to avoid this thread.
Jb is not stagnated. We are still taking delivery of an average of 14 frames a year for the next 6-7 years. We have 95 orders of airbus coming by 2024. They may differ some. They may cancel them. They may end up getting more that that.
Yes I’m well versed in the retirement numbers elsewhere and that it’s not growth until it’s at the gate. But currently. Now. We are growing at an average pace of 200-300/year. Not to mention the day the contract is ratified we’ll need another 10% added at a minimum for work rules and vacation.
Again just one mans opinion
Jb is not stagnated. We are still taking delivery of an average of 14 frames a year for the next 6-7 years. We have 95 orders of airbus coming by 2024. They may differ some. They may cancel them. They may end up getting more that that.
Yes I’m well versed in the retirement numbers elsewhere and that it’s not growth until it’s at the gate. But currently. Now. We are growing at an average pace of 200-300/year. Not to mention the day the contract is ratified we’ll need another 10% added at a minimum for work rules and vacation.
Again just one mans opinion
A very senior captain, will not mention names, developed a great spread sheet on the numbers. Hired today at Delta, you would be 50 percent up the total list. This was done just off retirement numbers alone! No additional aircraft.
At Jetblue, with our orders and retirement numbers you cant even come close to comparing the difference. I have no idea why anyone in their right mind would come here unless they have a bunch of failures or a DUI. Im sure some juicer on here will say our culture(barf).
Sir as to your numbers, we are only growing at an average of 150 pilots per year. The rest of it is for attrition. I wonder why...
02-01-2018, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
To that end... I’m gonna blame the beer because I’ve tried to avoid this thread.
Jb is not stagnated. We are still taking delivery of an average of 14 frames a year for the next 6-7 years. We have 95 orders of airbus coming by 2024. They may differ some. They may cancel them. They may end up getting more that that.
Yes I’m well versed in the retirement numbers elsewhere and that it’s not growth until it’s at the gate. But currently. Now. We are growing at an average pace of 200-300/year. Not to mention the day the contract is ratified we’ll need another 10% added at a minimum for work rules and vacation.
Again just one mans opinion
Jb is not stagnated. We are still taking delivery of an average of 14 frames a year for the next 6-7 years. We have 95 orders of airbus coming by 2024. They may differ some. They may cancel them. They may end up getting more that that.
Yes I’m well versed in the retirement numbers elsewhere and that it’s not growth until it’s at the gate. But currently. Now. We are growing at an average pace of 200-300/year. Not to mention the day the contract is ratified we’ll need another 10% added at a minimum for work rules and vacation.
Again just one mans opinion
So this is new.
I have never seen guys drink and post positive stuff....lol
I do agree whenever that contract hits they will really need to hire. I think that is one of the biggest issues. If it was just pay this thing would probably maybe be done. But the extra pilots they will need because of the way we run things now should be very large and very expensive for them.
02-01-2018, 08:52 PM
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They already have all of 2018 on the current vacation system. That gives them plenty of time to staff for the new contract by 2019.
Management needs to come to the table with real proposals now!
Side note, I flew with a school house guy last week and he said they are ramping up training in the spring to levels he hasn’t seen in years.
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Management needs to come to the table with real proposals now!
Side note, I flew with a school house guy last week and he said they are ramping up training in the spring to levels he hasn’t seen in years.
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02-01-2018, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
They already have all of 2018 on the current vacation system. That gives them plenty of time to staff for the new contract by 2019.
Management needs to come to the table with real proposals now!
Side note, I flew with a school house guy last week and he said they are ramping up training in the spring to levels he hasn’t seen in years.
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Management needs to come to the table with real proposals now!
Side note, I flew with a school house guy last week and he said they are ramping up training in the spring to levels he hasn’t seen in years.
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