CaptCoolHand

I’m not arguing against the numbers. Everyone knows why you’d go to DAL. if they had called me 5-10 yrs ago I’d have been gone like a fart in the wind. I made my own spreadsheets and in 2012-13 being hired by DAL would have made me an extra 2-4million over 30years.

The point is only that we are not stagnated. We just will not move as fast as others. You’re going to move up 3-5% a year. We need roughly 14 guys per plane. And that comes out to about the numbers above. We lost a very small number of guys last year. I truly wish guys had been able to run to AA DAL UAL FEDEX ect. But like me it’s not as easy as one thinks to just “go”.
Never had a DUI either. One training failure in 20yrs good aviation degree with decent gpa... sometimes the call never comes.

So having been here 10years finally getting to the left seat in a drivable base I’m not leaving. I’m here for the fight.
#ContractAboveAll
#supportjetbluepilots
#stoodwith700strong

PasserOGas

Um, no. You are confusing ASM growth with seniority driving growth. We are growing ASM at around 5% because we are adding seats, and buying 321's. Our hiring tells the true story. 150 pilots/year for growth equates to around a 3% rate. Your relative seniority will average around HALF that, so around 1.5%. At that rate of growth you will be 50% up the list in about 33 years. Obviously people will retire during that time, but make no mistake we are stagnant and UAL has announced plans to grow FASTER than us.

hyperboy

250 a year is what we are hiring......

Bluedriver

Minus attrition Hypergirl.

Bluedriver

And... I've been here almost 7 years. In that time, the difference between my seniority number in new hire class and 3500 is 186 pilots net per year.

Bluedriver

And, our growth rate is slowing. So, I have no reason to believe someone hired today will even do that well.

Bluedriver

And, with our slowing growth rate, we are, in fact, a slow-growing airline with nearly no pilot retirements and the 2nd worse mainline pay in the industry.

#keepsgettingbetter

Bluedriver

And, no, I'm not going to call you.

PasserOGas

After about year 3 all you care about is growth hiring since all our attrition is at the bottom of the list. We are hiring around 150/yr for GROWTH.

Our list only grows by 150/yr.

This year 3500 pilots work here, next year 3650 pilots and so on. This rate is around 3%. Your relative seniority grows much slower than this.

I hope this is slowed down and basic enough for you. This place is a dead end.

Riverside

You know you can quote his texts all into one right? Instead of quoting him five times.