Bozo the pilot

That number will grow if Blew doesnt cowboy up.

PasserOGas

Around 30%. If everyone TRYING to leave were counted that number would be almost 100% on the FO side. Think about it, how many FO's do you know who DON'T have their apps out? Everyone I know does.

Chicken Taco

ALPA has the hard numbers as does the company. Anecdotally my class just passed 2 years. 32 were hired that month, 31 finished training. 30 of the 31 are still here, so 97% In the 2 years that I have been on the list I have moved up 81 numbers. We hired 400 past my initial position, so almost 500 below me.

hyperboy

That number is a made up number that I bet it isn't even close..100%. Sounds good to say!

Saying that for years......I am not saying it won't increase...but it hasn't. I know many FO's including myself that don't have there apps out. I could be a Captain whenever I want. I choose not too for QOL.

There are many FO's senior to me that are doing that as well. So what does it have to do if your an FO or a CA? Please no career advice needed. You have my number we can chat.

coopervane

I do agree that saying people are dropping like flies feels good to say, but I just don’t think it’s happening yet.

I think this company run by pure TPS reports alone. They will wait until the TPS reports tell them that pilots are “dropping like flies”. They will wait until the TPS reports tell them we are the most despised airline by businessmen who wouldnt book a flight on us no matter how cheap we are. They will wait until the TPS reports tell them our profit margins are at a record low, and our costs are going up. Etc....Etc....

Then....when every Dollar that can be squeezed from the jetblew turnip, they will sell us and move on to the next ATM machine.


There is no long term plan.

PasserOGas

I think looking at how many are actually called and then leave is masking how many want to leave. If the big 3 started calling all the FOs with apps out how bad would attrition be? Saying we "only" lost 80 isn't telling the whole story is my point. We would be down A LOT more if everyone who wanted to leave could.

hyperboy

Here is the problem. Everything your saying people have been saying for years....It has not materialized for years either. I AM NOT SAYING IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Every year there is another reason why the the attrition didn't happen that past year and another (factual reason wink wink) that this is gonna be the year. It's like a ferris wheel going around and around with the girl you like and the Star QB sitting next to her hoping each time around she will be sitting alone, so you can save her from her grave mistake in judgement.

What it comes to is the facts that high attrition has not occurred yet... Everyone (Roadrunner and possibly the CA) seems to be telling the other (Wile E Coyote and possibly the FO) in the cockpit they are gonna jump off the edge of the cliff together. But no one jumps.

At this point you would take a peak at the contract? If not it would be reckless to tell someone to leave when your not....

PasserOGas

I have my apps out and updating them every month. I have been for about 2 years when I figured out the company was going to drag this out. I have been to many job fairs, guess what? Crickets. I have a stellar resume and many references at all of the big 3.

If I am not getting the call, and pretty much every FO I talk to is in the same boat it tells me actual attrition is lower than it should be.

I would leave tomorrow even if we got Delta's contract. Lack of movement alone here is worth millions in lost lifetime income.

queue

Let the gossip speculation begin...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...-indicators/3/

hyperboy

I just can't explain this part.....If you set the gold standard with your stellar resume then no one else has a chance?!

what do you think the problem on the 100 percent that want to leave not being able to get an interview at OAL's?