...perhaps a UPS like "back door" agreement with certain players in the industry to not hire from jetblue for a certain period of time. Purely speculation.

Hey jetblue...FUPM,
FC

 

But we aren’t so while the theory is fun it’s not happening YET.
I have literally been hearing this for 6 years along with somone buying us. I think the biggest attrition number was around a year after I got hired when everyone was returning to their legacy.

Again you have a point but only numbers matter not guys saying they will leave. We shouldn’t have guys leaving but I know for a fact guys are even leaving SWA to go to other airlines. It’s just the hiring cycle with retirements and big planes it’s hard to compete exacerbated by our lack of a contract. One day the majors will stop hiring and we start our retirements and it will be ( if we get a good contract and are still around) why sit at the bottom of the list here when they have retirements. Round and round the cycle goes. This won’t be for 10 or so years but it will happen.

That is not a defense or endorsement of JetBlue btw.

 

Ok not trying to start a war.

So if we got Deltas contract you are out and lack of movement is also an issue.

Why in the world did you apply here?
You had to know this going into it. Look if a Delta contract isn’t going to make you happy (it would cause a good chunk of movement) than you better keep those apps updated.

 

So hire 250, 70 quit, so net of 180 added to the list.

Strange, where have a seen that 180 number before. Roll eyes, triple face palm now...

 

Not arguing the semantics of stagnant, because it is SUBJECTIVE. But as our fleet count gets larger over the years, growing at a constant of 14 hulls means as a percentage, our growth slows every year.

That's before our regular brush with deferrals every few years...

 

That 70 is not pilots leaving thats everything; retirements, terminations, lost medicals...everything.FYI

 

No wonder mngmnt is in no hurry. With no one leaving and all the little helpers, why give us anything?

 

Ok. We are still only hiring 250, according to you. So what is 250-70= again?

 

Because it was a step up from a sh!tty regional. It was a bigger plane. I bought into “culture” BS, and thought it would be an ok place to hang out and improve the resume.

I don’t like unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, but as many guys as I know who want to leave and haven’t gotten a call, perhaps there is something the “back door deal” theory. If DAL ever gets sick of that annoying Blue gnat that keeps buzzing around ATL and MSP, I fully believe they could hire our operation to a halt.

 

5.14% Slightly over the 3-5% I stated earlier. Problem is it changes with the wind. We defer planes today, then pick up extras down the line. If you recall a few year back when we first deferred 2018 was only supposed to have about 4 deliveries, maybe 6 I can't remember now. were getting 10 now. A few years ago we found 4 extras we weren't supposed to get. some years were 20 others were 5, why not smooth it out.

SEC-Show

2018 delivery schedule is on page three of the investor update. it's about 1/3 the way down the file.

I know what stagnation is... it was 2008-2009, I spent that time in BOS as 2002/2007 pilots. It was super cool in 2010 I think we hired like 30.

Those times were great. I was especially excited to know how lucky I was to be here, and how I should have been furloughed so some senior guy could continue making his 140hrs/month. So yea, it's subjective.

This is the problem with the "exodus" argument right now. It just isn't.
will it? I just don't know.