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Old 12-15-2018, 09:58 AM
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I would be happy if they stood up for us. Since they don't. Lots of money for PEA 2018 and crickets on unilateral work rule changes and exploitation.

The MEC sent out an email yesterday about the recent change. Read it.

PEA 2018?? really? How long have you even worked here? The CBA is not 30 pages long. Grow up...
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:29 AM
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The MEC sent out an email yesterday about the recent change. Read it.

PEA 2018?? really? How long have you even worked here? The CBA is not 30 pages long. Grow up...
Doesn’t matter how long it is. A lot of PEA items were codified in the CBA.
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I would be happy if they stood up for us. Since they don't. Lots of money for PEA 2018 and crickets on unilateral work rule changes and exploitation.

POG I guess my question is what is the expectation? Each time a new CEO/COO comes in and makes a change someone is unhappy about a vote of no confidence is in order? And should the union not appease the pilot group in such a matter then they don't support us?

Forgive the tone as I am not picking on you individually. Its my opinion, for what its worth, most pilots are unaware of what the union can/should do and what they are able to do.

Each time a grievance is filed its takes substantial man power and time to process. There is only so much money in a union budget for grievances. In addition, what is the end game for the grievance?

With respect to the recent FOM change regarding 15 minutes past block-in pilots are up in arms about the union not being more specific about what they should and shouldn't do. The 15 minutes is 117 and if you can't abide by that then, no offense, you are a moron. If you want to stay past 15 minutes to greet departing customers then do so. The point is you aren't required to stay beyond your duty period.

I don't recall pilots at brand X acting this way about the most trivial of issues.

I don't care much for Jetblue and if I was younger I would have left at the first opportunity. That being said I am realistic about what management will do and what the union can fight.

Lastly, 74% of Jetblue pilots voted in favor of this crap contract we have. In managements eye things are almost peachy. In the unions eye things are pretty good. On anonymous message boards outrage rules the day. Different universes for certain.

Jetblue will never achieve its potential. Conversely Gigity is not dumb enough to run the airline into the ground plus the board would never allow it. This place is a cash cow for the board. The airline runs itself due to the employees, excuse me, "crew members". Until such time as all the good will is truly gone this rudderless ship continues on an ADF path forward regardless of who is at the helm.
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Old 12-15-2018, 02:27 PM
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They can say we need to stay on board but it’s going to cost them when these
35 min turns and swaps screws there
On time performance. Maybe someone should ask why they can board without us guarding the power? I won’t change the way I do anything now, still do the same thing I always do.
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Old 12-15-2018, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer View Post
They can say we need to stay on board but it’s going to cost them when these
35 min turns and swaps screws there
On time performance. Maybe someone should ask why they can board without us guarding the power? I won’t change the way I do anything now, still do the same thing I always do.
They’ll just blame us for not getting to the next flight in a timely manner. The new FOM addendum states “when duties allow”, so back to the nonsense. The aim is at the guys who blow out of the cockpit at base or last leg block in. Everyone knows that JoJo was waiting to zap the pilots. This is gold. She dislikes pilots immensely and has no time for pilots not cleaning. Someone else said it earlier, the culture here could all be bolstered with cash money. Go back to pizza parties, super passes, free JetBlue schwag and you’re winning the hearts and minds. But JoJo and RH don’t get it. They crack the whip and hope the blue juice is strong enough during the brain washing of the massive turnover in new hire classes of AO, GO and Inflight.

Solve OTP? Money. Very simple. Everyone gets a cash reward for a OTP push. The OTP would improve by at least 25%. But, I’m just simple P-3Bubba. Back to my safe taxi speeds, double checking paperwork and checklists.

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Old 12-15-2018, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cmesoar View Post
The MEC sent out an email yesterday about the recent change. Read it.

PEA 2018?? really? How long have you even worked here? The CBA is not 30 pages long. Grow up...
I read it. Limp noodle. But it is what it is. No more glad handing the PAX for me. I will be "monitoring the power supply" in the cockpit until the last person is off, or 15 min after block in. Never again will a customer see my beautiful face.

I'm still wondering why ALPA won't get off its a$$ and file some legal challenges to the mandatory cleaning. I guess they are busy golfing or something.

I'm not holding my breath on the "no confidence" vote. B6ALPA didn't even have enough fight in them for more than one picket in 3 years of negotiating.
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Old 12-15-2018, 08:05 PM
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Solve OTP? Money. Very simple. Everyone gets a cash reward for a OTP push. The OTP would improve by at least 25%. But, I’m just simple P-3Bubba. Back to my safe taxi speeds, double checking paperwork and checklists.

-Bubs
That’s a great idea right there. It would only need to be a few bucks too. Even though I’m aware a few dollars isn’t going to change my financial position, it would just feel good and would give a little motivation. And by design you wouldn’t want the amount to be much, so as to not incentivize stupidness trying to get the on time.

One of the smartest things the company does is pay double time for the holidays. In my seat, if you want one of those days off it’s no problem, which is fantastic. Conversely, if you feel like working, great and you get paid. And the company has no problem manning those days (again, speaking for my seat anyways).
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Old 12-16-2018, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba View Post
Solve OTP? Money. Very simple. Everyone gets a cash reward for a OTP push. The OTP would improve by at least 25%. But, I’m just simple P-3Bubba. Back to my safe taxi speeds, double checking paperwork and checklists.

-Bubs
Mishaps and mistakes would rise exponentially if they did that. A large percentage of ASAPs start with “We felt rushed prior to departure and missed ______ .” or something similar.
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Old 12-16-2018, 05:44 AM
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POG I guess my question is what is the expectation? Each time a new CEO/COO comes in and makes a change someone is unhappy about a vote of no confidence is in order? And should the union not appease the pilot group in such a matter then they don't support us?

Forgive the tone as I am not picking on you individually. Its my opinion, for what its worth, most pilots are unaware of what the union can/should do and what they are able to do.

Each time a grievance is filed its takes substantial man power and time to process. There is only so much money in a union budget for grievances. In addition, what is the end game for the grievance?

With respect to the recent FOM change regarding 15 minutes past block-in pilots are up in arms about the union not being more specific about what they should and shouldn't do. The 15 minutes is 117 and if you can't abide by that then, no offense, you are a moron. If you want to stay past 15 minutes to greet departing customers then do so. The point is you aren't required to stay beyond your duty period.

I don't recall pilots at brand X acting this way about the most trivial of issues.

I don't care much for Jetblue and if I was younger I would have left at the first opportunity. That being said I am realistic about what management will do and what the union can fight.

Lastly, 74% of Jetblue pilots voted in favor of this crap contract we have. In managements eye things are almost peachy. In the unions eye things are pretty good. On anonymous message boards outrage rules the day. Different universes for certain.

Jetblue will never achieve its potential. Conversely Gigity is not dumb enough to run the airline into the ground plus the board would never allow it. This place is a cash cow for the board. The airline runs itself due to the employees, excuse me, "crew members". Until such time as all the good will is truly gone this rudderless ship continues on an ADF path forward regardless of who is at the helm.
👌🏼☝🏼This is about straight forward as it gets.

And as far as OTP, they don’t care. All they care about is completion factor and getting every second out of every plane and body they can.
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Another massive round of RSA tonight. For immediate and for Monday and Tuesday. What happens if this is a IROP? There just aren’t enough good helper pilots to help out. We’re in trouble.

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