2-14-18 Interviews
04-16-2018, 03:22 AM
#294
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
Why I came here in a nutshell.
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
When I came here, none of the legacies were hiring yet, and our pay rates (we still had premium pay and peer-set average pay rates with annual pay reviews back then) were very close to our peers at the time, plus premium pay.
This place was FAR from perfect, but the others weren't hiring and we were much closer to our peers in pay than we are now. Were you here then? Have you been here throughout the significant nose-dive our relative compensation has taken?
Not to mention that we were growing ASMs at roughly 10% a year at the time, with deliveries at approximately 12 per year, scheduled to ramp up to 15 per year while we only had a fleet size of 160 or so aircraft. If you are good at math, compare that to what we are doing now and what our current (revised much lower) delivery schedule is relative to our current fleet size (and our current ASM growth).
EVERYTHING has gotten worse in my time here. Everything.
I recommend you not judge me based on *your* experience alone.
This place was FAR from perfect, but the others weren't hiring and we were much closer to our peers in pay than we are now. Were you here then? Have you been here throughout the significant nose-dive our relative compensation has taken?
Not to mention that we were growing ASMs at roughly 10% a year at the time, with deliveries at approximately 12 per year, scheduled to ramp up to 15 per year while we only had a fleet size of 160 or so aircraft. If you are good at math, compare that to what we are doing now and what our current (revised much lower) delivery schedule is relative to our current fleet size (and our current ASM growth).
EVERYTHING has gotten worse in my time here. Everything.
I recommend you not judge me based on *your* experience alone.
Last edited by CaptCoolHand; 04-16-2018 at 03:32 AM.
04-16-2018, 10:16 AM
#295
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: CA
Posts: 1,028
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
When I came here, none of the legacies were hiring yet, and our pay rates (we still had premium pay and peer-set average pay rates with annual pay reviews back then) were very close to our peers at the time, plus premium pay.
This place was FAR from perfect, but the others weren't hiring and we were much closer to our peers in pay than we are now. Were you here then? Have you been here throughout the significant nose-dive our relative compensation has taken?
Not to mention that we were growing ASMs at roughly 10% a year at the time, with deliveries at approximately 12 per year, scheduled to ramp up to 15 per year while we only had a fleet size of 160 or so aircraft. If you are good at math, compare that to what we are doing now and what our current (revised much lower) delivery schedule is relative to our current fleet size (and our current ASM growth).
EVERYTHING has gotten worse in my time here. Everything.
I recommend you not judge me based on *your* experience alone.
This place was FAR from perfect, but the others weren't hiring and we were much closer to our peers in pay than we are now. Were you here then? Have you been here throughout the significant nose-dive our relative compensation has taken?
Not to mention that we were growing ASMs at roughly 10% a year at the time, with deliveries at approximately 12 per year, scheduled to ramp up to 15 per year while we only had a fleet size of 160 or so aircraft. If you are good at math, compare that to what we are doing now and what our current (revised much lower) delivery schedule is relative to our current fleet size (and our current ASM growth).
EVERYTHING has gotten worse in my time here. Everything.
I recommend you not judge me based on *your* experience alone.
04-16-2018, 10:38 AM
#296
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,887
Originally Posted by say again
Where do you get that I was judging you by asking a simple question? No need for the unnecessary emotions. I do agree with on your assessment on what has and is happening here. Sucks seeing others making grossly more in pay and benefits.
Well, it in fact was NOT so bad, relatively speaking, when I came here.
It has deteriorated dramatically in my time here. So, the old "why did you come here knowing the pay was so bad" bit doesn't work.
04-16-2018, 10:52 AM
#297
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
When I came here, none of the legacies were hiring yet, and our pay rates (we still had premium pay and peer-set average pay rates with annual pay reviews back then) were very close to our peers at the time, plus premium pay.
This place was FAR from perfect, but the others weren't hiring and we were much closer to our peers in pay than we are now. Were you here then? Have you been here throughout the significant nose-dive our relative compensation has taken?
Not to mention that we were growing ASMs at roughly 10% a year at the time, with deliveries at approximately 12 per year, scheduled to ramp up to 15 per year while we only had a fleet size of 160 or so aircraft. If you are good at math, compare that to what we are doing now and what our current (revised much lower) delivery schedule is relative to our current fleet size (and our current ASM growth).
EVERYTHING has gotten worse in my time here. Everything.
I recommend you not judge me based on *your* experience alone.
This place was FAR from perfect, but the others weren't hiring and we were much closer to our peers in pay than we are now. Were you here then? Have you been here throughout the significant nose-dive our relative compensation has taken?
Not to mention that we were growing ASMs at roughly 10% a year at the time, with deliveries at approximately 12 per year, scheduled to ramp up to 15 per year while we only had a fleet size of 160 or so aircraft. If you are good at math, compare that to what we are doing now and what our current (revised much lower) delivery schedule is relative to our current fleet size (and our current ASM growth).
EVERYTHING has gotten worse in my time here. Everything.
I recommend you not judge me based on *your* experience alone.
JetBlue is making a fortune per passenger compared to other airlines. It looks like BJ's business model is no different than Allegiant's.
https://www.cbs.com/shows/60_minutes...der-the-radar/ (full episode)
For the disbelievers...
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04-16-2018, 10:59 AM
#298
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: CA
Posts: 1,028
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I continue to believe that you were judging me. Your question, which is actually invalid (I explained why) implies that I knew JB's pay was so bad, but came here anyway.
Well, it in fact was NOT so bad, relatively speaking, when I came here.
It has deteriorated dramatically in my time here. So, the old "why did you come here knowing the pay was so bad" bit doesn't work.
Well, it in fact was NOT so bad, relatively speaking, when I came here.
It has deteriorated dramatically in my time here. So, the old "why did you come here knowing the pay was so bad" bit doesn't work.
04-16-2018, 12:47 PM
#299
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,887
Originally Posted by say again
Believe whatever you want. It's no skin off my teeth. You're ****ed because other airlines pay has gone up while our remains stagnate on the now low side. I get it. I'm not happy about it either. Hope you get what we deserve soon so you'll be happy and not die at an early age.
With that said, don't confuse dissatisfaction with my current compensation and benefits with being unhappy in life generally. I can assure you, life is good for me dude.
04-16-2018, 02:03 PM
#300
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
Originally Posted by say again
Believe whatever you want. It's no skin off my teeth. You're ****ed because other airlines pay has gone up while our remains stagnate on the now low side. I get it. I'm not happy about it either. Hope you get what we deserve soon so you'll be happy and not die at an early age.
In his defense, it kinda came off as a jab.
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