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03-06-2018 | 04:31 PM
#21
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
I just read the ALPA B6 Blast...
If it’s that important to not post on this site, I’m sure they would mentioned it?
“Until then, simply do your job.”
Which to me, means fly you awarded schedule, nothing more, nothing less!
We can say what we want, but no self respecting labor attorney would even bring anything we put on a anonymous site to the mediator, when we aren’t organizing a work stoppage...telling people to do your job, nothing more, nothing less means don’t pick up RSA or VDA!
Whoever does, is taking money out of all our pockets to fill their own selfish, greedy spending habits!
If it’s that important to not post on this site, I’m sure they would mentioned it?
“Until then, simply do your job.”
Which to me, means fly you awarded schedule, nothing more, nothing less!
We can say what we want, but no self respecting labor attorney would even bring anything we put on a anonymous site to the mediator, when we aren’t organizing a work stoppage...telling people to do your job, nothing more, nothing less means don’t pick up RSA or VDA!
Whoever does, is taking money out of all our pockets to fill their own selfish, greedy spending habits!
I don't agree with the law itself, but that doesn't make it not exist. Spirit ALPA was just put through the legal wringer for basically the same thing.
Seriously, I believe the company WANTS us to publicly hang ourselves. They would love to tie us up in court and further delay this process. Let's not give them that opportunity. Do not call for actions publicly that will harm the operations.
I do believe this message came from the MEC. Why don't you just send a simple email to Dario and ask if he wrote it or if it came from the MEC?
Furthermore, I also do NOT believe the timing of this communication was random. Read into that what you want. It is very much time to be very careful with what we all say.
It is against federal law to intentionally harm the corporation to pressure them during negotiations, especially including a coordinated work slow-down.
Just do your JOB, SOP, as the union and our chief pilot have asked.
03-06-2018 | 04:51 PM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2012
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Herc, I have been up close and very personal with this process in the past. Publicly pressuring our fellow pilots to stop picking up overtime (RSA/VDA) is in fact a violation of federal law if the intent is to put pressure on the company during contract negotiations.
I don't agree with the law itself, but that doesn't make it not exist. Spirit ALPA was just put through the legal wringer for basically the same thing.
Seriously, I believe the company WANTS us to publicly hang ourselves. They would love to tie us up in court and further delay this process. Let's not give them that opportunity. Do not call for actions publicly that will harm the operations.
I do believe this message came from the MEC. Why don't you just send a simple email to Dario and ask if he wrote it or if it came from the MEC?
Furthermore, I also do NOT believe the timing of this communication was random. Read into that what you want. It is very much time to be very careful with what we all say.
It is against federal law to intentionally harm the corporation to pressure them during negotiations, especially including a coordinated work slow-down.
Just do your JOB, SOP, as the union and our chief pilot have asked.
I don't agree with the law itself, but that doesn't make it not exist. Spirit ALPA was just put through the legal wringer for basically the same thing.
Seriously, I believe the company WANTS us to publicly hang ourselves. They would love to tie us up in court and further delay this process. Let's not give them that opportunity. Do not call for actions publicly that will harm the operations.
I do believe this message came from the MEC. Why don't you just send a simple email to Dario and ask if he wrote it or if it came from the MEC?
Furthermore, I also do NOT believe the timing of this communication was random. Read into that what you want. It is very much time to be very careful with what we all say.
It is against federal law to intentionally harm the corporation to pressure them during negotiations, especially including a coordinated work slow-down.
Just do your JOB, SOP, as the union and our chief pilot have asked.
Exactly it was put out for a reason.
03-06-2018 | 04:58 PM
#23
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Joined: Jul 2016
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I appreciate your honesty and not being hostile toward me.
I’ve said my peace...I disagree with what you are saying because when people pick up VDA and RSA that makes the company believe they don’t need to hire more! When you see the same people doing extra work and making about 1.2 times more a month than most of the other pilots, that not only hurts the rest of us, like the people who need a job and are looking to get hired. Look at the CA’s...they barely get vacation unless they are top 10 percent. If they made more CA’s, then it’s good for everyone, and the company because people can have an actual life outside JB.
Nobody is telling people to stop working? I’m telling them the exact same thing the MEC says in their emails.
“Make no mistake, we are now deeply entrenched in a labor dispute. We must continue to strengthen our unity while letting management know that the well of pilot goodwill has run dry. Remember, our duties as JetBlue pilots are clearly spelled out in the company manuals and federal regulations. Nowhere are we required to make standup PAs, don blue gloves and clean the aircraft, or go outside of our normal job description. Nor will any of these acts of pilot generosity help us achieve a market-rate contract.”
“Be the professional pilot you have always been, but remember, cultural dividends will not fund your retirement or pay your mortgage. As much as your instinct may be to go above and beyond, it is imperative you follow SOP. Pilot unity continues to galvanize as we push toward a resolution. It's this unity, with every one of us rowing in the same direction, that is going to ultimately lead us to a contract we can all be proud of. Until then, simply do your job.”
They can’t make you work more than what the contract says, so when “They” ask you to do more, just don’t do it!
I’m done here...hope we get a contract before I turn 65!!!
I’ve said my peace...I disagree with what you are saying because when people pick up VDA and RSA that makes the company believe they don’t need to hire more! When you see the same people doing extra work and making about 1.2 times more a month than most of the other pilots, that not only hurts the rest of us, like the people who need a job and are looking to get hired. Look at the CA’s...they barely get vacation unless they are top 10 percent. If they made more CA’s, then it’s good for everyone, and the company because people can have an actual life outside JB.
Nobody is telling people to stop working? I’m telling them the exact same thing the MEC says in their emails.
“Make no mistake, we are now deeply entrenched in a labor dispute. We must continue to strengthen our unity while letting management know that the well of pilot goodwill has run dry. Remember, our duties as JetBlue pilots are clearly spelled out in the company manuals and federal regulations. Nowhere are we required to make standup PAs, don blue gloves and clean the aircraft, or go outside of our normal job description. Nor will any of these acts of pilot generosity help us achieve a market-rate contract.”
“Be the professional pilot you have always been, but remember, cultural dividends will not fund your retirement or pay your mortgage. As much as your instinct may be to go above and beyond, it is imperative you follow SOP. Pilot unity continues to galvanize as we push toward a resolution. It's this unity, with every one of us rowing in the same direction, that is going to ultimately lead us to a contract we can all be proud of. Until then, simply do your job.”
They can’t make you work more than what the contract says, so when “They” ask you to do more, just don’t do it!
I’m done here...hope we get a contract before I turn 65!!!
03-06-2018 | 05:19 PM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2011
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I appreciate your honesty and not being hostile toward me.
I’ve said my peace...I disagree with what you are saying because when people pick up VDA and RSA that makes the company believe they don’t need to hire more! When you see the same people doing extra work and making about 1.2 times more a month than most of the other pilots, that not only hurts the rest of us, like the people who need a job and are looking to get hired. Look at the CA’s...they barely get vacation unless they are top 10 percent. If they made more CA’s, then it’s good for everyone, and the company because people can have an actual life outside JB.
Nobody is telling people to stop working? I’m telling them the exact same thing the MEC says in their emails.
“Make no mistake, we are now deeply entrenched in a labor dispute. We must continue to strengthen our unity while letting management know that the well of pilot goodwill has run dry. Remember, our duties as JetBlue pilots are clearly spelled out in the company manuals and federal regulations. Nowhere are we required to make standup PAs, don blue gloves and clean the aircraft, or go outside of our normal job description. Nor will any of these acts of pilot generosity help us achieve a market-rate contract.”
“Be the professional pilot you have always been, but remember, cultural dividends will not fund your retirement or pay your mortgage. As much as your instinct may be to go above and beyond, it is imperative you follow SOP. Pilot unity continues to galvanize as we push toward a resolution. It's this unity, with every one of us rowing in the same direction, that is going to ultimately lead us to a contract we can all be proud of. Until then, simply do your job.”
They can’t make you work more than what the contract says, so when “They” ask you to do more, just don’t do it!
I’m done here...hope we get a contract before I turn 65!!!
I’ve said my peace...I disagree with what you are saying because when people pick up VDA and RSA that makes the company believe they don’t need to hire more! When you see the same people doing extra work and making about 1.2 times more a month than most of the other pilots, that not only hurts the rest of us, like the people who need a job and are looking to get hired. Look at the CA’s...they barely get vacation unless they are top 10 percent. If they made more CA’s, then it’s good for everyone, and the company because people can have an actual life outside JB.
Nobody is telling people to stop working? I’m telling them the exact same thing the MEC says in their emails.
“Make no mistake, we are now deeply entrenched in a labor dispute. We must continue to strengthen our unity while letting management know that the well of pilot goodwill has run dry. Remember, our duties as JetBlue pilots are clearly spelled out in the company manuals and federal regulations. Nowhere are we required to make standup PAs, don blue gloves and clean the aircraft, or go outside of our normal job description. Nor will any of these acts of pilot generosity help us achieve a market-rate contract.”
“Be the professional pilot you have always been, but remember, cultural dividends will not fund your retirement or pay your mortgage. As much as your instinct may be to go above and beyond, it is imperative you follow SOP. Pilot unity continues to galvanize as we push toward a resolution. It's this unity, with every one of us rowing in the same direction, that is going to ultimately lead us to a contract we can all be proud of. Until then, simply do your job.”
They can’t make you work more than what the contract says, so when “They” ask you to do more, just don’t do it!
I’m done here...hope we get a contract before I turn 65!!!
People are mad a me for not wearing a lanyard, yet here you have wahoos like this guy actually HURTING the process. I don't want my dues going to a fine or for us to be put on ice due to stupidity.
03-06-2018 | 05:26 PM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
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03-06-2018 | 05:45 PM
#27
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Spirit was clearly in the legal right.
I do wonder if Spirit ALPA did send out "Fly SOP" reminders and cease and desist requests to their members?
JB as a company doesn't say anything because everything they do is lawyered. Robin said he doesn't "negotiate in public" probably because he knows he has nothing to gain from it.
So this begs the question... what can JB pilots do? Can a pilot talk to other pilots without being first asked? Can a JB pilot do a media interview giving information about the industry and what JB pilots are negotiating for?
03-07-2018 | 04:30 AM
#28
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Until it comes through official work email, I’ll continue to post what I feel is necessary to make selfish pilots stop picking up RSA and VDA.
If what we say on APC matters, then the MEC would send out an ALPA blast telling us to knock it off? I’ll stop when I get one of those...
If what we say on APC matters, then the MEC would send out an ALPA blast telling us to knock it off? I’ll stop when I get one of those...
How thick can a person be? Publicly shaming employees or directing them on what to do is NOT cool especially during a labor dispute. What you say on here can matter. Telling people to not pick up RSAs or open flying could potentially make the situation way worse than those who are actually working an RSA.
If you're waiting for an email from the MEC to tell you that, then it's already too late. Sad that some people here can't see or understand that.
He probably agrees that picking up RSA/VDA causes a lower need from pilots. But you are missing the point. It is illegal to pressure people to not pick up extra flying. Period. Stop. End.
People are mad a me for not wearing a lanyard, yet here you have wahoos like this guy actually HURTING the process. I don't want my dues going to a fine or for us to be put on ice due to stupidity.
People are mad a me for not wearing a lanyard, yet here you have wahoos like this guy actually HURTING the process. I don't want my dues going to a fine or for us to be put on ice due to stupidity.
03-07-2018 | 05:25 AM
#30
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The reason we can put out the fly SOP message is because we had guys do a 180 in BOS on the taxi way.
The union doesn’t want us distracted by non essential job duties, especially during this stressful time. Safety is our company’s STATED #1 priority after all.
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The union doesn’t want us distracted by non essential job duties, especially during this stressful time. Safety is our company’s STATED #1 priority after all.
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