What I am scared of is we got played... now they can delay for an extended period of time and we are stuck with our hands tied behind our A$$. I really hope I am wrong. Does anyone know if we can still even bring the Mediator back or will mighty alpa have to request mediation again if the MEC pushes back on this?

 

Based on your bullet points, your AIP is ****. The withholding of OE trips from the bid package is not industry standard at the major level and should be an automatic no vote from all first officers. Usually it only takes a week or two to turn an AIP into a TA. You guys are being played big time. Jetblue is using every single tactic in the book to bend you guys over. I’m ****ed that ALPA national hasn’t helped you guys more. Jetblue’s tactics have been done before by other carriers. This isn’t the first time ALPA has seen this.

 

Thank you for your input from an outsider prospective. Some people don't understand that this isn't a great contract.... I don't get it.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/options-traders-expect-huge-moves-125112005.html

 

Our entire TA is new and I'd expect it to take longer than an expired contract with some revised sections. The union guidance was around a month timeframe, I don't remember them claiming to get it wrapped up in 2 weeks. This doesn't mean that the company is up to shenanigans, however 2 weeks may be more appropriate in other scenarios.

 

Because we haven't seen the contract?

There's nothing to understand. you don't know if it's great or a turd because you haven't read it.

 

Not arguing with the rest of what you said, but the oe trip withholding is a little off. According to our other board:
UAL can withhold 75% OE pairings
AMR can withhold 100% OE pairings
DL (best in class) can withhold trips that aren’t covered by an FO
ALK can withhold 30 hrs per pilot that will require OE
HAL can withhold 35 hrs per pilot that will require OE
Not sure about SWA.

I don’t like the concession, or many of the key AIP bullet points for that matter. But if the above is true, there may not have been a lot of room to negotiate.

 

The company and NC hammered out a lot of language before the AIP was reached in order to minimize the time it took to go from AIP to TA. With that in mind, just because it’s new, doesn’t mean it should take an extraordinary amount of time. I think their goals are reasonable.

The posted initial timeline was this:

May 16th MEC vote to send to language/TA
Approx 4 weeks later the full TA will be presented to the MEC
The MEC will have approx 1 week to read/vote on the TA
If the MEC approves it, it will then be sent to the pilot group
Soon after, road shows will commence, some of which will overlap a 30-day TA voting window that should close in early August.

The tone of the NCs update last week was negative. The company took until June 7th just to put a “completely unacceptable” implementation proposal on the table. Hopefully this week’s update has a more positive tone with more progress made, but if that’s how the company has been playing ball, I’m not getting my hopes up. We aren’t too far off the proposed timeline yet. But if this week isn’t productive, we could be.

I can’t believe, with as bad as some of this AIP is, the company would even remotely fight over implementation/language and risk losing more votes. Guess we will see.

 

It makes me wonder if they (the company) are having buyers remorse...I have no idea, just a thought

 

Why can't we be leading industry in something. ANYTHING!?


This was a major concession that could have helped balance the rest of the bullet point sh1tshow.