4-24-2018 Interviews
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4-24-2018 Interviews
Received the "Welcome to the Pool" email this morning.......4-24-2018 interview. Like everyone else, looking to put some sort of timeframe together now. A question I keep hearing is whether or not Summer slows the training cycle?
Ideally for me, end of Summer is good......however will go when called. Just wanting to manage expectations.
Open for input/comments etc......
Thnx
Ideally for me, end of Summer is good......however will go when called. Just wanting to manage expectations.
Open for input/comments etc......
Thnx
#2
Last pool update email (sent in May) said two classes each for June and July. Have not heard anything additional about July classes or beyond, so maybe they will have them and maybe not. I’m sure the vacancy bid and the potential for a TA are also having an effect. Been in the pool for about a month now.
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Received the "Welcome to the Pool" email this morning.......4-24-2018 interview. Like everyone else, looking to put some sort of timeframe together now. A question I keep hearing is whether or not Summer slows the training cycle?
Ideally for me, end of Summer is good......however will go when called. Just wanting to manage expectations.
Open for input/comments etc......
Thnx
Ideally for me, end of Summer is good......however will go when called. Just wanting to manage expectations.
Open for input/comments etc......
Thnx
You are on-boarding at a unique time, because our staffing models will shift if our upcoming T/A does pass.
That said, if you are just getting the welcome to the pool email now, I’d expect to hear something in Later September or October (maybe later).
As others have said, summer here is “all hands on deck” and the instructors go through their training in August. So expect the classes to be few and far between this summer followed by classes really spooling up in the fall.
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Congrats and welcome.
You are on-boarding at a unique time, because our staffing models will shift if our upcoming T/A does pass.
That said, if you are just getting the welcome to the pool email now, I’d expect to hear something in Later September or October (maybe later).
As others have said, summer here is “all hands on deck” and the instructors go through their training in August. So expect the classes to be few and far between this summer followed by classes really spooling up in the fall.
You are on-boarding at a unique time, because our staffing models will shift if our upcoming T/A does pass.
That said, if you are just getting the welcome to the pool email now, I’d expect to hear something in Later September or October (maybe later).
As others have said, summer here is “all hands on deck” and the instructors go through their training in August. So expect the classes to be few and far between this summer followed by classes really spooling up in the fall.
Vacation/PTO total time off is a push because the Vaca pool is now deducted at 35 hours instead of 24.5. Result no real change in staffing.
Vacation distribution in the summer will marginally improve. That's good. But will partially be offset at least on the FO side by removing all the OE hours from the FO bid. Captain side will require some additional staffing, BUT maybe not. Does the company consider using the new forced vacation cancellation for operational necessity more "cost effective" than upgrading more captains? Are you sure?
The reserve rules do appear more restrictive, and you would think more staffing is required... But with the 5 hour average day the 10-hour 3-days will not be in open time anymore. They will either be highly desirable trips or be built into longer 4-5 day trips. In addition, guys will likely be more inclined to pick up all open-time (not in a labor dispute, higher pay rate, potentially a little more credit). Plus call-in-well provisions, so guys can pick up the rest of their trip without assigning an entire 4-5 day to a reserve. More RSA/VDA takers for reasons mentioned. Net result, possibly not much in additional reserve staffing.
Drop to Zero credit? That's via the Trade board, not reserves.
What am I missing, what are you seeing that will push staffing notably higher?
#5
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From what I've seen so far, I do not see a Titanic shift in staffing needs.
Vacation/PTO total time off is a push because the Vaca pool is now deducted at 35 hours instead of 24.5. Result no real change in staffing.
Vacation distribution in the summer will marginally improve. That's good. But will partially be offset at least on the FO side by removing all the OE hours from the FO bid. Captain side will require some additional staffing, BUT maybe not. Does the company consider using the new forced vacation cancellation for operational necessity more "cost effective" than upgrading more captains? Are you sure?
The reserve rules do appear more restrictive, and you would think more staffing is required... But with the 5 hour average day the 10-hour 3-days will not be in open time anymore. They will either be highly desirable trips or be built into longer 4-5 day trips. In addition, guys will likely be more inclined to pick up all open-time (not in a labor dispute, higher pay rate, potentially a little more credit). Plus call-in-well provisions, so guys can pick up the rest of their trip without assigning an entire 4-5 day to a reserve. More RSA/VDA takers for reasons mentioned. Net result, possibly not much in additional reserve staffing.
Drop to Zero credit? That's via the Trade board, not reserves.
What am I missing, what are you seeing that will push staffing notably higher?
Vacation/PTO total time off is a push because the Vaca pool is now deducted at 35 hours instead of 24.5. Result no real change in staffing.
Vacation distribution in the summer will marginally improve. That's good. But will partially be offset at least on the FO side by removing all the OE hours from the FO bid. Captain side will require some additional staffing, BUT maybe not. Does the company consider using the new forced vacation cancellation for operational necessity more "cost effective" than upgrading more captains? Are you sure?
The reserve rules do appear more restrictive, and you would think more staffing is required... But with the 5 hour average day the 10-hour 3-days will not be in open time anymore. They will either be highly desirable trips or be built into longer 4-5 day trips. In addition, guys will likely be more inclined to pick up all open-time (not in a labor dispute, higher pay rate, potentially a little more credit). Plus call-in-well provisions, so guys can pick up the rest of their trip without assigning an entire 4-5 day to a reserve. More RSA/VDA takers for reasons mentioned. Net result, possibly not much in additional reserve staffing.
Drop to Zero credit? That's via the Trade board, not reserves.
What am I missing, what are you seeing that will push staffing notably higher?
Not sure I have a great answer to your question, since I haven’t seen the final language.
The biggest change will be the PTO sell back @ premium going away and split in PTO banks. I think “forcing” a vacation for folks and having better vacation distribution will be what primarily drive our increased staffing needs.
EDIT: I didn’t see vacation being deducted at 35 vs 24.5. Is that happening for sure? Where are you getting that information?
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Received the "Welcome to the Pool" email this morning.......4-24-2018 interview. Like everyone else, looking to put some sort of timeframe together now. A question I keep hearing is whether or not Summer slows the training cycle?
Ideally for me, end of Summer is good......however will go when called. Just wanting to manage expectations.
Open for input/comments etc......
Thnx
Ideally for me, end of Summer is good......however will go when called. Just wanting to manage expectations.
Open for input/comments etc......
Thnx
See you on the line!
#7
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
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Good post.
Not sure I have a great answer to your question, since I haven’t seen the final language.
The biggest change will be the PTO sell back @ premium going away and split in PTO banks. I think “forcing” a vacation for folks and having better vacation distribution will be what primarily drive our increased staffing needs.
EDIT: I didn’t see vacation being deducted at 35 vs 24.5. Is that happening for sure? Where are you getting that information?
Not sure I have a great answer to your question, since I haven’t seen the final language.
The biggest change will be the PTO sell back @ premium going away and split in PTO banks. I think “forcing” a vacation for folks and having better vacation distribution will be what primarily drive our increased staffing needs.
EDIT: I didn’t see vacation being deducted at 35 vs 24.5. Is that happening for sure? Where are you getting that information?
The 24.5 for 35 is gone on the VPTO side (the forced vacation side). Not sure about the 72 hours of regular PTO side yet. So that's why no real staffing increase from PTO accrual.
The loss of PTO sell-back at 150% should increase staffing requirements as guys are now more likely to take time off instead of sell back their PTO. But wait! All of the FORCED vacation will take place in Sept, Oct, Jan... No one needs to be forced to take Vaca in June, July or August.... So on the forced Vaca side, I see no additional staffing.
On the additional summer Vaca allocation, the modest increase in Vaca distribution in the summer should drive more staff. However, it will be partially offset on the FO side by the company removing all the OE hours from the FO bid. On the CA side I expect the company will do what it always does, under staff, under-upgrade CAs and run "hot" all summer and will use their self-inflicted short staffing to justify the use of the new "forced vacation buy-back" language to take vacation away as-needed by the company... So... Again I see minimal staffing from Vaca distribution.
We'll all have some better visibility once the language is released.
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