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09-28-2019 | 12:21 PM
#741
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There are several 2019 hires in LGB right now, however there’s basically zero movement. There were some spots awarded in the August bid but the vacancies left over from that bid resulted in these most recent spots being available to new hires.
Used to be that you’d have a chance to bid out every quarter but now it’s an annual bid so the only guaranteed chance to leave would be via the August 2020 bid with an effective date of January 2021...potentially 16 months from now. Monthly base trades are technically possible however the system bid seemingly wiped out the backlog of folks waiting to get out there.
The folks that just got LGB out of training could possibly be stuck there a while, but impossible to say at this point.
Used to be that you’d have a chance to bid out every quarter but now it’s an annual bid so the only guaranteed chance to leave would be via the August 2020 bid with an effective date of January 2021...potentially 16 months from now. Monthly base trades are technically possible however the system bid seemingly wiped out the backlog of folks waiting to get out there.
The folks that just got LGB out of training could possibly be stuck there a while, but impossible to say at this point.
09-28-2019 | 01:54 PM
#742
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Adding pilots to the bottom of a list is NOT the definition of movement.
09-28-2019 | 05:58 PM
#743
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09-29-2019 | 03:58 AM
#744
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09-29-2019 | 06:59 AM
#745
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09-29-2019 | 08:09 AM
#746
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09-30-2019 | 05:54 AM
#748
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Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
09-30-2019 | 06:07 AM
#749
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My point was more that a trickling of new FOs over the course of a year isn't exactly something to celebrate as movement. So instead of bottom reserve guy, you're now a little bit better reserve guy? (This was in response to LGB specifically).
Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
09-30-2019 | 06:24 AM
#750
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My point was more that a trickling of new FOs over the course of a year isn't exactly something to celebrate as movement. So instead of bottom reserve guy, you're now a little bit better reserve guy? (This was in response to LGB specifically).
Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
JetBlue is hiring 400 per year on a list of 4,000. Easy math is 10%.
Delta didn't run a new hire class for 9 months about 2 years ago because they changed their pairing optimizer language and they ended up being fat on pilots.
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