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09-28-2019, 12:21 PM
#741
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence
There are several 2019 hires in LGB right now, however there’s basically zero movement. There were some spots awarded in the August bid but the vacancies left over from that bid resulted in these most recent spots being available to new hires.
Used to be that you’d have a chance to bid out every quarter but now it’s an annual bid so the only guaranteed chance to leave would be via the August 2020 bid with an effective date of January 2021...potentially 16 months from now. Monthly base trades are technically possible however the system bid seemingly wiped out the backlog of folks waiting to get out there.
The folks that just got LGB out of training could possibly be stuck there a while, but impossible to say at this point.
Used to be that you’d have a chance to bid out every quarter but now it’s an annual bid so the only guaranteed chance to leave would be via the August 2020 bid with an effective date of January 2021...potentially 16 months from now. Monthly base trades are technically possible however the system bid seemingly wiped out the backlog of folks waiting to get out there.
The folks that just got LGB out of training could possibly be stuck there a while, but impossible to say at this point.
09-28-2019, 01:54 PM
#742
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Originally Posted by Dashbro
That’s not entirely true, all those spots from the August bid have already been filled, not sure what those extra 4 are for. There’s been a least 12 new FO’s in LGB in the last few months, that’s the definition of movement.
09-28-2019, 05:58 PM
#743
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Adding pilots to the bottom of a list is NOT the definition of movement.
09-29-2019, 03:58 AM
#744
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Adding pilots to the bottom of a list is NOT the definition of movement.
09-29-2019, 06:59 AM
#745
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Originally Posted by Dashbro
Believe it or not there have been upgrades in LGB as well as people taking upgrades on the east coast. Also, If your relative seniority increases in base then that’s movement in my book.
09-29-2019, 08:09 AM
#746
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Originally Posted by aldonite7667
No you don’t.
The seniority list is growing at 10% per year.
In what world does that not produce upward movement?
09-30-2019, 05:54 AM
#748
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Originally Posted by Dashbro
Believe it or not there have been upgrades in LGB as well as people taking upgrades on the east coast. Also, If your relative seniority increases in base then that’s movement in my book.
Originally Posted by jtrain609
Are all y'all bad at math, or time, or something? Because upgrade for the 190 is right at 3 years, and Airbus upgrade is right behind that.
The seniority list is growing at 10% per year.
In what world does that not produce upward movement?
The seniority list is growing at 10% per year.
In what world does that not produce upward movement?
Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
09-30-2019, 06:07 AM
#749
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
My point was more that a trickling of new FOs over the course of a year isn't exactly something to celebrate as movement. So instead of bottom reserve guy, you're now a little bit better reserve guy? (This was in response to LGB specifically).
Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
09-30-2019, 06:24 AM
#750
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
My point was more that a trickling of new FOs over the course of a year isn't exactly something to celebrate as movement. So instead of bottom reserve guy, you're now a little bit better reserve guy? (This was in response to LGB specifically).
Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.
But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.
JetBlue is hiring 400 per year on a list of 4,000. Easy math is 10%.
Delta didn't run a new hire class for 9 months about 2 years ago because they changed their pairing optimizer language and they ended up being fat on pilots.
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