BunkerF16

And it's this "It's good enough" mentality among our pilot group that will be the reason it passes, not because it should.

CAirBear

I知 confused by this. I thought it was sent to you guys with a vote of 12-0. What changed?

BunkerF16

12-0 vote was to send NC back with company to finalize language and implementation schedule.


7-5 vote was overall TA final MEC vote.


Underwhelming to say the least. This entire process is a JB management wet dream.

jstyle13

That was just a 3 page highlight of the AIP. The MEC voted 12-0 just to release that to the pilot group and then go thru the full TA vetting/vote process which concludes today.

CAirBear

Gotcha now. Thanks guys!

RiddleEagle18

Genuinely wondering what in the reserve section you didn稚 like? I thought that section was really really good. Especially when compared to everyone else. Maybe I missed something?


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dontsurf

i was hoping for even more days off (i had seen the 5 hour daily guarantee, and hoped the 75 hour reserve guarantee would mean 15 work days per month).

i was really really hoping for something like united has, where (as i understand it, as was told to me in the past, and maybe isn't current), everyone is long call, until converted, and you can only be converted 8 days a month or something like that.

this shows us having long call, but not everyone will have long call. i will have to wait to see examples of how it will play out, because i do not understand the percentages they are talking about vis a vis long call vs. short call.

the 4 bid periods vs. 2 bid periods for daily reserve is a good thing. well, i am really saying that it is all an improvement. there is nothing in there that goes backwards. it is definitely better than what we have now, but i was really hoping for something extraordinary.

RiddleEagle18

I値l have to look into UAL system but as far as days off it is better than UAL(12,13), American(12,13), spirit (12,13) Alaska 12, Hawaiian(12), dal is equal at (13,14) and SW blows everyone away at (14,15)


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dontsurf

here's a question that i'm sure someone can answer now.

yesterday someone (and he claimed to know what he was talking about, how he knows the guys in the mec, etc. so i believed him) told me that if we vote for this contract, the pay rates will be retroactive to when the aip was signed, which i see was may 11th.

does anyone think this is true? i don't see anything about that anywhere in the highlights, or mentioned anywhere. they talk about "DOS", date of signing. does that mean when the aip was signed, or when a contract passes a vote of the pilots?

dontsurf

yes, definitely an improvement. those are the short call numbers you're quoting for us under the ta, while the long call will be equal to most of those airlines you mentioned.

again, it is all an improvement for reserves. i didn't say it was bad. i just said i was hoping for something extraordinary, and this isn't it.