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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by N311JB
yeah 18 months for implementation. No good. Remember when we were supposed to have a "call in well" section with the new FSM that still hasn't been turned on? Thats a 1/3 of the the life of this thing. Especially since guys are scared of sending this thing back and waiting another year. I need to see a 3% increase each year. If we're only gonna take deliveries of 321s, I need an override. A 4 year deal, when other airlines are expiring in 2019. The 50 mil just ins't enough. No change in profit sharing. Those are my hangups. Essentially I feel like I'm just voting for a pay raise
Remember it’s only a 2% raise till the end of the contract. If the company drags out the next negotiation cycle it saves them money. There is a reason united pilots aren’t too concerned with getting a contract done on time. They have an automatic 4% raise.
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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by N311JB
yeah 18 months for implementation. No good. Remember when we were supposed to have a "call in well" section with the new FSM that still hasn't been turned on? Thats a 1/3 of the the life of this thing. Especially since guys are scared of sending this thing back and waiting another year. I need to see a 3% increase each year. If we're only gonna take deliveries of 321s, I need an override. A 4 year deal, when other airlines are expiring in 2019. The 50 mil just ins't enough. No change in profit sharing. Those are my hangups. Essentially I feel like I'm just voting for a pay raise
I feel like we are getting a good deal with this TA. Scope and Scheduling especially. The alternate DH is the most important piece that no one has paid any attention to, and it looks fantastic on paper.

That said. I wish insurance, pay increases and implementation were different. However, it's a solid yes for me (once I read the whole thing.)
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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:40 AM
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I can’t believe they sent this out with the same horrible insurance we already have
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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 11Bravo
But hey, if your in the 190 you get a 6.8% raise!!! Awesome
-5% with loss of PTO sell back.
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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 11Bravo
But hey, if your in the 190 you get a 6.8% raise!!! Awesome
We are held back on that by everyone else's 190 rates. Which really sucks.

I think we will see huge movement toward the bus with the 190 becoming a defacto "JetBlue express" thats on property.
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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
The vote passed 7-5. That in and of itself is telling.
58% Yes
42% No

It’s going to be an interesting month.
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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
I feel like we are getting a good deal with this TA. Scope and Scheduling especially. The alternate DH is the most important piece that no one has paid any attention to, and it looks fantastic on paper.

That said. I wish insurance, pay increases and implementation were different. However, it's a solid yes for me (once I read the whole thing.)
Can you explain the alternate DH section? Little confused on this
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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
We are held back on that by everyone else's 190 rates. Which really sucks.
You could raise the bar........
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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by N311JB
Can you explain the alternate DH section? Little confused on this
I haven't read the final language. But my understand is that you can be put on a DH from your home base to your DH city provided you have a JetBlue flight.

For example:

DH JFK-BOS
BOS-SEA
Overnight.
SEA-BOS
DH BOS-JFK

If you lived in MCO, you could elect to be put on a DH from MCO-BOS and BOS-MCO in lieu of your DH to/from Boston to JFK.

It's a very nice touch.
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Old 06-25-2018 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
I haven't read the final language. But my understand is that you can be put on a DH from your home base to your DH city provided you have a JetBlue flight.

For example:

DH JFK-BOS
JFK-SEA
Overnight.
SEA-BOS
DH BOS-JFK

If you lived in MCO, you could elect to be put on a DH from MCO-BOS and BOS-MCO in lieu of your DH to/from Boston to JFK.

It's a very nice touch.
I think this is really nice to have also. Like a postive space to and/or from work if your duty starts with a DH and/or finishes with a DH
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