The TA is finally here
#221
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Joined: Oct 2012
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Just to play devils advocate for a second, but how to we implement meals for our crews, when the only aircraft that actually have full meals are Mint 321s? What about 190 guys? Or 320 guys that just do core flying? When you say meals, do you mean a cold sandwich that can be kept on ice, or are you looking for a hot meal like other companies provide their pilots? The 190 doesn't have an oven or cooling system to keep even a catered meal fresh or heated. Even if they gave us catered meals, where would we keep them? I mean I agree, I think we should be getting actual meals for flights over X hours. The only comparison I have is my regional days. Our 175s had first class seats which had first class meals on ice, but even those would get nasty sometimes if they weren't eaten in a certain amount of time.
I agree 100% about the first class thing. It's ridiculous that we as employees can't be seated in MINT. I've non-reved before and had to explain to my wife why there were 3 open mint seats in front of us, and why were weren't sitting in them, when back in my regional days we were able to cross the pond a couple times in Delta One for almost zero cost to us.
I agree 100% about the first class thing. It's ridiculous that we as employees can't be seated in MINT. I've non-reved before and had to explain to my wife why there were 3 open mint seats in front of us, and why were weren't sitting in them, when back in my regional days we were able to cross the pond a couple times in Delta One for almost zero cost to us.
There was no way they were just going to give it to the pilots. If you want that done it really needs to be a company wide push, and I fully support that. They want us to go above and beyond while they keep the money and enjoy the perks. This is an area where jetblue is totally wrong. Sometimes it’s the little things and they don’t seem to get that.
#222
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I bid reserve for flexibility. Now considering a downgrade because the new reserve rules suck:
Downgrade now has a "2 year freeze".
Hmmm? 2 years? Well,...
Contract has one system bid a year on Aug1st ( once an f'n year)
Aug1st, 2018 I bid a downgrade.
Dec1st, 2018 I begin training for downgrade.
Dec1st, 2020 released from " freeze", but can't bid it until next system bid.
Aug1st, 2021 I can now bid for an upgrade.
This thing sucks!!
Downgrade now has a "2 year freeze".
Hmmm? 2 years? Well,...
Contract has one system bid a year on Aug1st ( once an f'n year)
Aug1st, 2018 I bid a downgrade.
Dec1st, 2018 I begin training for downgrade.
Dec1st, 2020 released from " freeze", but can't bid it until next system bid.
Aug1st, 2021 I can now bid for an upgrade.
This thing sucks!!
#223
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
I bid reserve for flexibility. Now considering a downgrade because the new reserve rules suck:
Downgrade now has a "2 year freeze".
Hmmm? 2 years? Well,...
Contract has one system bid a year on Aug1st ( once an f'n year)
Aug1st, 2018 I bid a downgrade.
Dec1st, 2018 I begin training for downgrade.
Dec1st, 2020 released from " freeze", but can't bid it until next system bid.
Aug1st, 2021 I can now bid for an upgrade.
This thing sucks!!
Downgrade now has a "2 year freeze".
Hmmm? 2 years? Well,...
Contract has one system bid a year on Aug1st ( once an f'n year)
Aug1st, 2018 I bid a downgrade.
Dec1st, 2018 I begin training for downgrade.
Dec1st, 2020 released from " freeze", but can't bid it until next system bid.
Aug1st, 2021 I can now bid for an upgrade.
This thing sucks!!
#224
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Joined: Oct 2016
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The annual system bid has me confused as well, but this is what's on the FAQ of the B6 site..
That bolded part is throwing me off. So the system bid is still only once, but within it you can bid for multiple things throughout the year? Am I reading that right?
How does the one annual system bid really work?
Annually, prior to the vacation bid for the following year, the Company will determine their staffing needs for the upcoming year and open a bid. Pilots will be able to bid, in seniority order, for a particular base and seat for a specific time of year. A pilot may bid multiple seats throughout the year.
For example, a BOS E190 FO will bid for BOS A320 FO with a training date in March, and then BOS A320 CA with a training date in October.
Annually, prior to the vacation bid for the following year, the Company will determine their staffing needs for the upcoming year and open a bid. Pilots will be able to bid, in seniority order, for a particular base and seat for a specific time of year. A pilot may bid multiple seats throughout the year.
For example, a BOS E190 FO will bid for BOS A320 FO with a training date in March, and then BOS A320 CA with a training date in October.
#225
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I think you can bid around in your current seat. The company can release supplemental bids throughout the year, but the annual one is mandatory. Or something.
#226
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From: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
I bid reserve for flexibility. Now considering a downgrade because the new reserve rules suck:
Downgrade now has a "2 year freeze".
Hmmm? 2 years? Well,...
Contract has one system bid a year on Aug1st ( once an f'n year)
Aug1st, 2018 I bid a downgrade.
Dec1st, 2018 I begin training for downgrade.
Dec1st, 2020 released from " freeze", but can't bid it until next system bid.
Aug1st, 2021 I can now bid for an upgrade.
This thing sucks!!
Downgrade now has a "2 year freeze".
Hmmm? 2 years? Well,...
Contract has one system bid a year on Aug1st ( once an f'n year)
Aug1st, 2018 I bid a downgrade.
Dec1st, 2018 I begin training for downgrade.
Dec1st, 2020 released from " freeze", but can't bid it until next system bid.
Aug1st, 2021 I can now bid for an upgrade.
This thing sucks!!
How is rsv less flexible? Serious question.
#227
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Joined: Sep 2006
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I bid reserve for flexibility. Now considering a downgrade because the new reserve rules suck:
Downgrade now has a "2 year freeze".
Hmmm? 2 years? Well,...
Contract has one system bid a year on Aug1st ( once an f'n year)
Aug1st, 2018 I bid a downgrade.
Dec1st, 2018 I begin training for downgrade.
Dec1st, 2020 released from " freeze", but can't bid it until next system bid.
Aug1st, 2021 I can now bid for an upgrade.
This thing sucks!!
Downgrade now has a "2 year freeze".
Hmmm? 2 years? Well,...
Contract has one system bid a year on Aug1st ( once an f'n year)
Aug1st, 2018 I bid a downgrade.
Dec1st, 2018 I begin training for downgrade.
Dec1st, 2020 released from " freeze", but can't bid it until next system bid.
Aug1st, 2021 I can now bid for an upgrade.
This thing sucks!!
#228
Wow, this poop-pile gets worse and worse...
Clauses C,D, and E are subject to interpretation (bad). There must be a definition of "taken into consideration" such as "a Pilot is solely authorized to determine and define what adequate considerations are, not subject to questioning by trepresent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
Clauses C,D, and E are subject to interpretation (bad). There must be a definition of "taken into consideration" such as "a Pilot is solely authorized to determine and define what adequate considerations are, not subject to questioning by trepresent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
Not saying NK has a better contract overall, but there definitely seems a lot of ambiguity/company interpretation in your Commuter Policy. for reference, this is us:
Commuter Policy
1. A pilot commuting to duty shall plan for a minimum of two separate flights that
will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time. If the first flight is
oversold, delayed, or canceled, or if the pilot is denied a jumpseat or boarding for
any reason, he shall notify Crew Scheduling as soon as practical.
2. Crew Scheduling, at its discretion, shall take one of the following actions:
a. Purchase a ticket for the pilot on the next available flight.
b. Advise the pilot to attempt to board the second flight through normal
means (e.g., jumpseat, nonrev travel, or OA passes).
3. If for any reason, a pilot is denied boarding on the second planned commuter
flight, he shall immediately notify Crew Scheduling, and Crew Scheduling shall
assign one of the following options:
a. Assign the pilot an open trip pairing, in consideration of the remaining
commuter flights available, and any required rest and duty limitations, so
that a pilot will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time
for the newly assigned trip.
b. Assign the pilot to reserve duty for no more than the same number of
calendar days of his original missed trip pairing (e.g., a pilot who misses
a scheduled trip pairing of three calendar days may be assigned to no
more than three calendar reserve duty days).
c. Release the pilot from all duty in a non-pay status for the missed trip
pairing (i.e., deduct the pay credit for the missed trip pairing from his
pay).
4. A pilot who keeps accurate records of his scheduled commuter flights and
otherwise complies with the provisions of this commuter policy shall not be
subject to discipline for missing trip pairings due to denied boarding.
5. A pilot may use the commuter policy as necessary with no limitations.
#229
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I might be wrong but I would assume you could bid it, it just wouldn't have an effective date till the two years is fully up.
#230
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