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07-16-2018 | 08:59 PM

#571

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Actually bargaining notes are entirely admissible as witness to intent of language. Often good bargaining notes are more important than the language itself. Not that I don’t agree with many of your overarching points, just needed to clarify.

Of course the downside of bargaining notes is very few people know what they say since they are not in the body of language.

It's always rolling the dice unless it's written in the contract, and that's a huge problem for us. BJ could always make clever arguments against non-contract verbiage. The legal system is not in our favor unless the contract is explicit, leaving no room for interpretation. Trying to win in court will probably be next to impossible with current TA weak language. I'm not even certain that the entire contract doesn't have Remedies sought under arbitration. Section is explicitly arbitration. If the entire TA is implied and executed under arbitration, we might as well forget the idea of it being a "contract" and just call it PEA 2.0. Remember what arbitration got us in 3A. So we need to shoot down TA 1 and make TA 2 bulletproof.

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07-27-2018 | 07:34 AM

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i'll go with 68-29 with 3% not voting.

I wasn't too far off

07-27-2018 | 08:02 AM

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I wasn't too far off

Good guess. Would have thought the vote would have been closer.

07-27-2018 | 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by seekingblue

Good guess. Would have thought the vote would have been closer.

A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush, is what I think it came down to. It's a "decent" deal but a far, far cry above what we had.

Plus the obvious one: SCOPE!

07-27-2018 | 10:11 AM

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A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush, is what I think it came down to. It's a "decent" deal but a far, far cry above what we had.

Plus the obvious one: SCOPE!

Personally I prefer two hands in the “bush”

07-27-2018 | 10:18 AM

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Personally I prefer two hands in the “bush”

I’m a no bush guy, myself

07-27-2018 | 10:41 AM

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I saw the payscales somewhere but cannot find them again, can anyone pm or post the new pay scales?

Also does this new TA change any of the reserve rules?

Thanks

07-27-2018 | 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerizbro

I saw the payscales somewhere but cannot find them again, can anyone pm or post the new pay scales?

Also does this new TA change any of the reserve rules?

Thanks

Lots has changed.

Here is the Full T/A:

http://jbumec.alpa.org/portals/jbu/ta2018/tentative%20agreement%20-%202018.pdf

07-28-2018 | 07:11 PM

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Thanks, seeking blue, for posting bullet points link (post #4), and TA link (post #578). Also belated congratulations on getting your first contract, and best wishes towards enforcing contract going forward.