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06-26-2018 | 11:36 AM
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Because they are making money. They wouldn’t have the overhead to make money. If you had to take all the risk and have the really high overhead and hope people buy tickets on your flight or get a guaranteed amount of money with someone else’s overhead what would you do? Heck if it was my decision I’d take my 1 dollar and not risk any then put all my work and sometimes make 10
06-26-2018 | 11:41 AM
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Still a yes vote Bozo? Please explain.
06-26-2018 | 11:43 AM
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Because they are making money. They wouldn’t have the overhead to make money. If you had to take all the risk and have the really high overhead and hope people buy tickets on your flight or get a guaranteed amount of money with someone else’s overhead what would you do? Heck if it was my decision I’d take my 1 dollar and not risk any then put all my work and sometimes make 10
Great- argue that, because to suggest that Robyn will get ETOPS and have the ability to do it himself and THEN choose to codeshare is ridiculous. Or it makes sense to you and you share BDs misinterpretation of codesharing.
06-26-2018 | 11:46 AM
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Again guys, codesharing is not a windfall for the company and many of you are conflating the two. Educate yourselves on Codeshare vs. Fee for departure.
Passer- tell me you know the difference...
And prove you do
06-26-2018 | 11:58 AM
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06-26-2018 | 11:59 AM
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From the FAQ on B6 Alpa:
Can JetBlue use an operator such as JetSuite to provide feed under a Capacity Purchase Agreement?
No, agreed upon language prevents the Company from doing this. The Company is prohibited from entering into any Capacity Purchase Agreements or purchase Block Space on other carriers, and they cannot not purchase equity in, or lend to, another company that is an air carrier or an affiliate of an air carrier as a means to circumvent the provisions of our Scope agreement. Other provisions in scope prohibit JetBlue for using an entity like JetSuites as an alter ego or for doublebreasting.
Can JetBlue operate a JetBlue Express / regional carrier?
JetBlue cannot enter into a Capacity Purchase Agreement with any other carrier. However, if JetBlue were to establish a new brand, i.e. JetBlue Express with regional jets, it would be flown by JetBlue Pilots under the same CBA and seniority list.
Seems fairly clear cut to me, no?
Can JetBlue use an operator such as JetSuite to provide feed under a Capacity Purchase Agreement?
No, agreed upon language prevents the Company from doing this. The Company is prohibited from entering into any Capacity Purchase Agreements or purchase Block Space on other carriers, and they cannot not purchase equity in, or lend to, another company that is an air carrier or an affiliate of an air carrier as a means to circumvent the provisions of our Scope agreement. Other provisions in scope prohibit JetBlue for using an entity like JetSuites as an alter ego or for doublebreasting.
Can JetBlue operate a JetBlue Express / regional carrier?
JetBlue cannot enter into a Capacity Purchase Agreement with any other carrier. However, if JetBlue were to establish a new brand, i.e. JetBlue Express with regional jets, it would be flown by JetBlue Pilots under the same CBA and seniority list.
Seems fairly clear cut to me, no?
06-26-2018 | 12:01 PM
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From the FAQ on B6 Alpa:
Can JetBlue use an operator such as JetSuite to provide feed under a Capacity Purchase Agreement?
No, agreed upon language prevents the Company from doing this. The Company is prohibited from entering into any Capacity Purchase Agreements or purchase Block Space on other carriers, and they cannot not purchase equity in, or lend to, another company that is an air carrier or an affiliate of an air carrier as a means to circumvent the provisions of our Scope agreement. Other provisions in scope prohibit JetBlue for using an entity like JetSuites as an alter ego or for doublebreasting.
Can JetBlue operate a JetBlue Express / regional carrier?
JetBlue cannot enter into a Capacity Purchase Agreement with any other carrier. However, if JetBlue were to establish a new brand, i.e. JetBlue Express with regional jets, it would be flown by JetBlue Pilots under the same CBA and seniority list.
Seems fairly clear cut to me, no?
Can JetBlue use an operator such as JetSuite to provide feed under a Capacity Purchase Agreement?
No, agreed upon language prevents the Company from doing this. The Company is prohibited from entering into any Capacity Purchase Agreements or purchase Block Space on other carriers, and they cannot not purchase equity in, or lend to, another company that is an air carrier or an affiliate of an air carrier as a means to circumvent the provisions of our Scope agreement. Other provisions in scope prohibit JetBlue for using an entity like JetSuites as an alter ego or for doublebreasting.
Can JetBlue operate a JetBlue Express / regional carrier?
JetBlue cannot enter into a Capacity Purchase Agreement with any other carrier. However, if JetBlue were to establish a new brand, i.e. JetBlue Express with regional jets, it would be flown by JetBlue Pilots under the same CBA and seniority list.
Seems fairly clear cut to me, no?
2 totally different things.
Codesharing is necessary.
06-26-2018 | 12:10 PM
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So many guys on here are leaning yes or voting yes primarily because of the scope provisions in the TA. Scope=job. After reading through the TA I think the complete lack of protections in that section need to be discussed. As I read it, the company can outsource every single flight at Jetblue with 2 limits.
1. The outsourced flying cannot be flown on a plane labeled "Jetblue".
2. The airline must fly 3% more block hours in the year it is signed.
That is pretty much it. We can outsource literally EVERY. SINGLE. FLIGHT.
There appears to be ZERO limits on the number of 50 seat aircraft the company can codeshare on. NONE. They just can't be called jetblue express.
Wow. That is some airtight language fellas. Lets get that signed into law! I feel so secure in my job with that insurance policy.
Why are you guys even THINKING about voting yes to this?
*Edit* Wow, copy/pasting the scope provision isn't as easy as I thought.
1. The outsourced flying cannot be flown on a plane labeled "Jetblue".
2. The airline must fly 3% more block hours in the year it is signed.
That is pretty much it. We can outsource literally EVERY. SINGLE. FLIGHT.
There appears to be ZERO limits on the number of 50 seat aircraft the company can codeshare on. NONE. They just can't be called jetblue express.
Wow. That is some airtight language fellas. Lets get that signed into law! I feel so secure in my job with that insurance policy.
Why are you guys even THINKING about voting yes to this?
*Edit* Wow, copy/pasting the scope provision isn't as easy as I thought.
Let’s start with....what is your name?
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