Cleaning = Duty
07-19-2018, 03:34 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Blue Dude
Btw, did you see the name of the original requestor for the legal interpretation? "John Q. de Lancie"? John de Lancie, the actor who played Q on Star Trek?
All right, queue, fess up.
All right, queue, fess up.
07-19-2018, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Glad the FAA has our backs. I would have hoped the people to whom I pay 1.9% of my income would be the ones to fight this. What’d they say...bigger fish to fry or something like that? I guess as busy as the FAA is, they probably have bigger fish to fry too. Oh well. At least we have an industry leading....wait. Nevermind.
it's finally clear... thank god.
The reason it was never a thing for ALPA is because it was never a thing.
07-19-2018, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Well we're the FAA and we're here to help!
it's finally clear... thank god.
The reason it was never a thing for ALPA is because it was never a thing.
it's finally clear... thank god.
The reason it was never a thing for ALPA is because it was never a thing.
07-19-2018, 05:04 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Well we're the FAA and we're here to help!
it's finally clear... thank god.
The reason it was never a thing for ALPA is because it was never a thing.
it's finally clear... thank god.
The reason it was never a thing for ALPA is because it was never a thing.
07-19-2018, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I disagree, it is a thing for commuting pilots.
You decide your level of participation. The wording in the guide is vague at best for a reason.
07-19-2018, 06:08 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
We can agree to disagree. I commuted. It was never an issue.
You decide your level of participation. The wording in the guide is vague at best for a reason.
You decide your level of participation. The wording in the guide is vague at best for a reason.
But what exactly do you mean when you say it wasn't an issue? Do you mean that you didn't clean and were never turned in to Giggity? Or do you mean you cleaned as expected and it wasn't a big deal?
07-19-2018, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue Dude
Btw, did you see the name of the original requestor for the legal interpretation? "John Q. de Lancie"? John de Lancie, the actor who played Q on Star Trek?
All right, queue, fess up.
All right, queue, fess up.
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07-19-2018, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I don't think it's that vague... The expectation is pretty clear when non-revenue (commuting). Hopefully this FAA interpretation leads to explicit policy changes for pilots.
But what exactly do you mean when you say it wasn't an issue? Do you mean that you didn't clean and were never turned in to Giggity? Or do you mean you cleaned as expected and it wasn't a big deal?
But what exactly do you mean when you say it wasn't an issue? Do you mean that you didn't clean and were never turned in to Giggity? Or do you mean you cleaned as expected and it wasn't a big deal?
07-19-2018, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Yeah, they had their hands full allowing discipline for missed commutes in the "commuter section".
This is called being an adult. Some may say professional. You're upset because you failed to show up for work and now have to answer for your actions to your supervisor? Is there any job out there anywhere that you don't work for yourself that this is acceptable?
If you can't show up on a regular basis because of your personal choices then I hope you are brought in for a dependability review.
I commuted for over a decade. I can only recall two times I ever had an OOPS and both fell within the confines of the policy. another non-issue.
07-19-2018, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I don't clean. I cross my belt and leave the plane as I found it. I have satisfied the expectation to assist in turning the aircraft for the following flight.
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