queue

I'm not trying to pick on you but I do want you to know that there are other sources of authority that BJ could use against you:

• The online training specifically tells you to ask for gloves, clean seat pockets, clean seats, fold belts.
• The CP office sent out an email saying it's not acceptable to only do your row.
• The commuter policy also tells you to clean.

TA 2 needs to have language that permanently and absolutely prohibits pilots from doing ANY non-certificate holder duties at all times. This contract still allows BJ to pass another policy through the coercion of losing your commuting privileges. For example, there is nothing stopping them from saying "clean the toilets" or else you can't get to work, and it you can't get to work, it goes against your Dependability Policy, and we fire you. It's all one big legal trap!



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queue

Spoken like a true apologist and someone who has been defeated in the past. RJ mentality at its finest. That is not what a professional would say.



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queue

You can have your own opinions of what it means to be an adult. None of what you say changes the FACT of what is written. Only the legal language matters, and it's grossly unfair. Under the existing policy and under the TA, you have no defense whatsoever. Read it. Flowchart it. If a CP has it out for you, they could use the DP against you for a single commute. Does that sound too hyperbolic to you? Well, show me in the language where I am wrong. When you write legal language, it's not based on your impressions or anecdotal experience, it must be based on absolute criteria. The DP and Commuter policy are vague to screw specific people and to keep the rest in line using invisible fences.



The contract needs to say: "You are not liable if: (1) you have on BJ flight, (2) two OAL flights." It doesn't say that in the legalese, regardless of what you feel.



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Bluedriver

You just stated YOUR "interpretation" of the non-revenue Blue-turn policy.

Your interpretation could lead to discipline or loss of travel privileges if the company doesn't share your interpretation.

It is an issue.

And, as Passer said, you performed required duty but didn't update your duty time with crew services.

It is an issue.

symbian simian

I have to disagree. NK commute policy is totally clear, list for 2 flights that arrive before duty, and you can never get in trouble. All of us show up for work on time. That is called being an adult. If you think you need a kindergarten commute policy with threats of dependability reviews because you don’t trust your employees you are no professional.

queue

Meanwhile, TA1 has an escape clause where BJ can determine if you "adequately planned" your commute. If they have their CP kangaroo court deem it inadequately planned, you're in trouble with the Dependability Policy. They could tell us to come in a week earlier to adequately plan for an incoming hurricane, crosswinds out of limits, or even Yellowstone about to blow. There literally is no limit to what they could consider "inadequate planning" under the current TA language. It's not an improvement at all. We need to rewrite TA 1 and get TA 2.



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capt707

So.... company says No, ALPA says yes, cleaning is duty.

Blue Dude

No, the company said voluntary commuting isn't duty, which is true. They completely ignored the gist of the opinion regarding mandatory cleaning, just hand waved it away by quoting a footnote that wasn't on point.

PasserOGas

Did I miss an email?

queue

No, the company is lying like a lawyer is trained to lie. They didn't make a false statement. They made a statement that tricks you into thinking something but it isn't what they said. There are two issues:

1. Is commuting "duty"? No... this is what the company said (note: they neglected to mention everything else in the letter).
2. Is cleaning while commuting "duty"? Yes... per the FAA.

Again, these are two separate issues. Read the letter carefully, word for word. Read BJ's response carefully. They are lying by omission.

They are just screwing with you. Who still is voting Yes and foolishly thinking these people are honorable? How many times have they lawyered things to their advantage? The latest email ought to provide all the evidence you need to see why we need a rock solid, legal-proof TA. BJ will not hesitate to lawyer the vagueness of TA 1.0 to their advantage.

I hope ALPA exploits their latest email to demonstrate how dirty these people really are. If *anyone* confronts you about cleaning on your way to work, gather evidence. Keep copies of all the relevant policies as they might change without you knowing it. The law is on your side, follow it. If you don't duty-on at cleaning time (assuming you are commuting to work on BJ), you are breaking the law.

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