There is no law saying you have to trade one for another. You are simply making false arguments given by ineffective negotiators and mediocre speculation. Literally everything is on the table. You could have had scope, pay, and rules if you wanted it bad enough. The problem is that most JB are jellyfish when it comes to self respect. Too many defeated regional guys that seem to settle for less. That is the only difference between Delta pilots and you. You are losing because you already told yourself that you are a loser who does not deserve pay, scope, and rules. You are limiting yourself to a false view of reality by accepting mediocre airline status quo.

 

When the time comes to vote on a new contract, count me in. But don't ask me to come down to your level of misery for the next three years, ain't gonna happen. My "coping mechanism" as you put it consists of travelling to great destinations when I'm not working, and enjoying life with a drink in my hand, great food, and a smile on my face. Life is far too long to live in abject misery every day.

B!itching about how you are not able to move up to a "real airline" on APC isn't going to fix anything. But I wish you the best of luck in getting hired.

 

Mind clarifying for us why YOU are such a loser who does not deserve better pay, scope and rules? Especially considering you got hired here way before the CBA. I'm just curious.

 

What makes you conclude that identifying issues is always associated with misery? Is it not conceivable in your world to smile while solving problems?

As I already said, if you're not going to help solve problems, you should at least paint a realistic business picture rather than being part of the JB Fun Committee. I hope you weren't one of those 70%+ that voted for a substandard contract.

Go have your fun, but don't forget this is business. Other pilots speaking your complacent words were the reason pilots accepted a mediocre substandard contract and the reason management stole your profit sharing.

 

It’s a business for JB as well. Some of us here have signed the front of paychecks, not just the back. Make no mistake I’m not happy about the profit sharing. As a 320 FO on 5 year pay I got $310. But you can hardly call it theft or stealing when it wasn’t negotiated into a contract. I’ve owned 3 companies. My profits are my profits (kind of the point of starting a business no?) unless I agree to share it in writing with those that work for me. If it was a contractual obligation that was repudiated I get the anger. In this case the terms of the agreement under which we operate were fulfilled.

 

I deserve better pay, rules, and scope because:

I'm a top notch pilot with no history of safety issues or violations. I've successfully managed, as a pic, several big emergencies ranging from a rapid decompression to engine failures (yes plural). I even fought for my country overseas.

I work far beyond my job description with passengers and with my coworkers.

I get exposed to toxic fumes on every flight, massive radiation, and irregular sleep schedules which shortens my life and makes me more chronically ill than the regular office warrior (I've been that too, btw).

I've been in management at a VP level, not at JB. That kind of experience demands higher pay.

I spend considerable time educating myself with all rules, regulations, policies, flight manuals, ACs, OpSpecs, etc., because I am a professional pilot that undestands that a great portion of my life is being a lawyer.

I am responsible for up to approx 200 lives, all depending on me and my FO being right the first time, every time.

I could easily keep going but these are very common to any professional pilot and not unique to me. If you don't agree with these, then you're probably very new to aviation in general. This is a profession where lives are in your hands so it's a very serious business that demands a professional.

Now tell me, why should I be happy that I make less than a major carrier? Why should I be happy about virtually no profit sharing? I want to make JB great again.

 

I agree. The profit sharing issue is uniquely our fault for accepting a substandard mediocre contract because we accepted cliche status quo excuses. I simply am supremely confident that we could have negotiated substantially better had we been much, much smarter.

Also, about the purpose of a business... there is no law or rule saying that a company has to be run primarily for profit. I know that is the American preconceived notion spread by corporatism, but that is not the only way. If chick fil a wanted to make more profit, they could open on Sunday too and join the leftist elite.

Personally, if I ran an airline, i would run it for the primary benefit of the employees. This doesn't mean that profit isn't important. It just means that profit is a means to end rather than the primary objective.

 

New to aviation, now that's funny. You can add cockpit comedian to your resume. 🤣

From your brief resume, I'd say you fall in the 50-60% range of pilots here. But you chose a career field that doesn't reward experience. Every move, be it up, down, or lateral, has us starting over at the bottom.

Thank you for your service. Much respect to all who serve.

 

Thanks. I didn't put any of my personal resume because it's not about me. Every pilot demands a certain value because we all have a common level of responsibility. We need to enforce this concept on the marketplace. I am at a lower place in the corporate ladder now, but the negative connotation also assumes that I want to climb someone's expectation of that corporate ladder. I'm actually very happy where I am, but that doesn't mean that I don't see injustices and room for improvement in the profession. It's also not just about money. From the legal perspective, I would like to see laws changed so that pilots are not uniquely responsible for everything. I think the laws ought to prosecute everyone involved from politicians to FAA, who allows corporations to get away with anything. I want to see the first year reserve first officer get at least 15 days off every month so that he can improve himself as a person and be there for his family if he has one. I want to see employers respect pilots by not having draconian policies such as the dependability clause that you can never escape from. We can't do any of this unless we start respecting ourselves as professionals first. In terms of recent events, this equates to not saying yes to whatever offer we get first. It means that we should have fought, which is not being done until you reach a strike.

Personally, I want to make aviation great again.

 

I think the big issue is the PS.
They knew where it was going and changed it for the whole company. A few years ago we got pretty good checks and it helped cover for some of their crap. Now we have AO/GO getting 50 bucks. If we had never got it that’s one thing but once we got it and it was going up they played the shell game and took it away. Been here 7 years and I don’t think I have seen one issue create as much hatred for the ELT as this as with EVERY group. It was a major mistake and just flushed morale at a time when we don’t have much left anyway.

Look if Europe happens and we get the LR and grow that’s actually good news but the current vibe at the company looks at that (big news) and goes ehhh.

They could definitely fix morale and have us all going in the same direction but who knows if they ever will. mayBe