Bluedriver

I do have 1st hand experience. The symptoms range dependent on your individual tolerance to the toxins/fumes and the severity of the event. I've experienced many/most of the symptoms listed in the various research papers and aerotoxic syndrome websites.

Honestly, I'm not sure if you can "treatment" it. Some symptoms subside after exposure, some don't seem to. Try and live as healthy as possible outside the cockpit and be absolutely trigger happy with your O2 mask when in the cockpit. As for smell, different oil brands have different smells when pyrolyzed into the cabin air, so not sure what your airline cabin air will smell like when contaminated.

I hope others will chime in with more/better "treatment" info.

www.aerotoxic.org

Plus many other online references and videos. Becoming much more well known, but as a famous Boeing engineer said, it may take "Tombstones" (I think that is the term he used) before airlines, airframers, engine manufactures and regulators take action.

Beer30

I’ve been told sauna, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and just wait. It would be nice to hear a success story after exposure

I believe many pilots and FAs are silently suffering or don’t even know it’s this that is affecting them. It’s very well established organophosphates are horrible substances and can enter the bleed air system. I think what some people dispute is whether the chemicals are in high enough concentration to seriously affect people.

There should be definitive answers on this and filtration and detection systems proven to work deployed until bleed air is phased out. Also medical tests to prove organophosphate injury would be nice for us. I’m stating the obvious but it needs way more attention.

ALPA should take a strong lead on this

Bluedriver

All correct.

So many guys have no idea how serious this really is. Had a guy recently tell me that it's just a bad smell, not harmful. What do you think is causing that smell genius! You are breathing a contaminate, that isn't supposed to be there and not supposed to be entering your body! It's not "just a smell"...

startTwo

Dirty sock smell fume events continue at CP on the 175. Company response? “Flight attendants are pouring coffee poured down the drain.”

Unbelievable.

Bluedriver

Yep, this might be the tobacco of the 2020s.

Beer30

Status quo is a hard thing to change. Everyone keeps passing the buck at the moment. Needs a high profile name like Sully to advocate for this. The general public mostly won’t care because most don’t fly much, but there are a lot of important people who are frequent flyers who if they feel it may affect them might make a difference. Unfortunately if this is just made out to be a flight crew issue only, nothing will happen.

Does the new A220 have a cabin bleed air system?

jamesholzhauer

Every new/modern plane except the 787 has cabin bleed air systems, unfortunately.

Speaking of new planes, several A330NEOs have had fume issues, and a lot of A320NEO family planes (appears mostly Pratt GTF engined ones) have as well.

Beer30

I was hoping the 787 design would be the new standard, oh well

queue

It would be great if more people wrote up every smell like they are supposed to. Virtually *every* flight I'm on has contamination from the old oil, the new oil, from the APU, and especially when flying in moisture. Without data, BJ will continue to pretend like it's just an "odor" and so will the entire industry. Remember, industry's goal is to make this go away by lowering aromatics in the oil. That's like taking out the odorous compound from natural gas so that you don't know there's a natural gas leak in the house. ALPA can't do anything unless pilots start taking this seriously. Virtually every pilot I know is dangerously ignorant on this and dismisses it as some conspiracy theory or exaggeration. Most fellow captains are either too ignorant or too scared to always document it. ALPA needs data not enablers.

queue

Sully would be nice but all you need is a 30 minute documentary talking to various experts and showing historical data, including one of our very own that was critically hospitalized during an engine run. ALPA doesn't need to spend a penny to make it either. Most cell phones and go-pro equivalents now shoot in 4K and there's plenty of free video editing software. It's vital that ALPA create this highly technical video so that individual pilots are not attacked by the industry. Then, it needs to be given out to media outlets via ALPA press conferences, meetings with senators and representatives, and spread via social media and maybe even talks with youtube personalities like Joe Rogan.