United better hurry up....
10-27-2019, 06:08 AM
#21
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Funny reading how so few understand how the M&A process works.
No we wouldn't be stapled to the bottom of the UA seniority list. In fact, my guess is the majority of JB pilots would be happy with how that integration went.
It doesn't matter what the pilot group does or doesn't do in relationship to how a merger would finalize. It's in the hands of 3-4 JB pilots (The chairman and 3 other M&A members) who have full authority and autonomy to negotiate and argue before a aribtration board.
A merger with SW would be trickier as the ALPA guidelines don't necessarily need to be followed. What you would worry about is if they tried to Guadalupe Holdings incorporate JB like they did with AT. That's when it would get messy.
I'll take a merger with a legacy any day over SW. Plus, who wants to fly a POS boeing anyways?!
No we wouldn't be stapled to the bottom of the UA seniority list. In fact, my guess is the majority of JB pilots would be happy with how that integration went.
It doesn't matter what the pilot group does or doesn't do in relationship to how a merger would finalize. It's in the hands of 3-4 JB pilots (The chairman and 3 other M&A members) who have full authority and autonomy to negotiate and argue before a aribtration board.
A merger with SW would be trickier as the ALPA guidelines don't necessarily need to be followed. What you would worry about is if they tried to Guadalupe Holdings incorporate JB like they did with AT. That's when it would get messy.
I'll take a merger with a legacy any day over SW. Plus, who wants to fly a POS boeing anyways?!
10-27-2019, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Funny reading how so few understand how the M&A process works.
No we wouldn't be stapled to the bottom of the UA seniority list. In fact, my guess is the majority of JB pilots would be happy with how that integration went.
It doesn't matter what the pilot group does or doesn't do in relationship to how a merger would finalize. It's in the hands of 3-4 JB pilots (The chairman and 3 other M&A members) who have full authority and autonomy to negotiate and argue before a aribtration board.
A merger with SW would be trickier as the ALPA guidelines don't necessarily need to be followed. What you would worry about is if they tried to Guadalupe Holdings incorporate JB like they did with AT. That's when it would get messy.
I'll take a merger with a legacy any day over SW. Plus, who wants to fly a POS boeing anyways?!
No we wouldn't be stapled to the bottom of the UA seniority list. In fact, my guess is the majority of JB pilots would be happy with how that integration went.
It doesn't matter what the pilot group does or doesn't do in relationship to how a merger would finalize. It's in the hands of 3-4 JB pilots (The chairman and 3 other M&A members) who have full authority and autonomy to negotiate and argue before a aribtration board.
A merger with SW would be trickier as the ALPA guidelines don't necessarily need to be followed. What you would worry about is if they tried to Guadalupe Holdings incorporate JB like they did with AT. That's when it would get messy.
I'll take a merger with a legacy any day over SW. Plus, who wants to fly a POS boeing anyways?!
10-27-2019, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
Really? You think a pilot group that voted 74% for a turd contract, in the best negotiating environment in recent history, would suddenly collectively grow some stones and stand up to SWAPA?
10-27-2019, 10:51 AM
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”What you would worry about is if they tried to Guadalupe Holdings incorporate JB like they did with AT.”
Not gonna happen: B6 is a profitable company with a healthy balance sheet and extremely valuable assets to whatever partner wants to dance (JFK, BOS, FLL, the new MCO Terminal, DCA, LGA slots, future Europe Slots) and (A320NEO/A321LR/XLR and A220-300 Order Book).
B6 pay rates are also essentially equivalent to WN, even the A220-300 Pay rates are on par with WN rates. This would likely be an equal merger in class and category, if it were to happen at all. Any attempt by SWAPA to strong arm the deal would fail in arbitration. B6 brings too much goodness to the negotiating table with whomever attempts to Merge/Acquire. There also would likely be a major bidding war on an attempt to acquire vs a mutually agreed upon merger. It’s in WNs financial best interest to avoid a bidding war and keep cost of any deal low.
Not gonna happen: B6 is a profitable company with a healthy balance sheet and extremely valuable assets to whatever partner wants to dance (JFK, BOS, FLL, the new MCO Terminal, DCA, LGA slots, future Europe Slots) and (A320NEO/A321LR/XLR and A220-300 Order Book).
B6 pay rates are also essentially equivalent to WN, even the A220-300 Pay rates are on par with WN rates. This would likely be an equal merger in class and category, if it were to happen at all. Any attempt by SWAPA to strong arm the deal would fail in arbitration. B6 brings too much goodness to the negotiating table with whomever attempts to Merge/Acquire. There also would likely be a major bidding war on an attempt to acquire vs a mutually agreed upon merger. It’s in WNs financial best interest to avoid a bidding war and keep cost of any deal low.
10-27-2019, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I don’t worry about Guadeloupe holdings because our scope prevents the BS that happened to AT under that situation.
Airtrans successorship language specifically allow SWA to Guadeloupe them. BTW SWA did not buy Airtran.
Guadeloupe did.
Our contract forces a merger of operation with the entity that controls or is controlled by an air carrier.
10-27-2019, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
Really? You think a pilot group that voted 74% for a turd contract, in the best negotiating environment in recent history, would suddenly collectively grow some stones and stand up to SWAPA?
Yes I think it would be a little different. That’s a whole different enemy and if you read above that turd contract seems to help us. (With that said we definitely have stuff to fix)
10-28-2019, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
Yep.
Airtrans successorship language specifically allow SWA to Guadeloupe them. BTW SWA did not buy Airtran.
Guadeloupe did.
Our contract forces a merger of operation with the entity that controls or is controlled by an air carrier.
Airtrans successorship language specifically allow SWA to Guadeloupe them. BTW SWA did not buy Airtran.
Guadeloupe did.
Our contract forces a merger of operation with the entity that controls or is controlled by an air carrier.
10-28-2019, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Funny reading how so few understand how the M&A process works.
No we wouldn't be stapled to the bottom of the UA seniority list. In fact, my guess is the majority of JB pilots would be happy with how that integration went.
It doesn't matter what the pilot group does or doesn't do in relationship to how a merger would finalize. It's in the hands of 3-4 JB pilots (The chairman and 3 other M&A members) who have full authority and autonomy to negotiate and argue before a aribtration board.
A merger with SW would be trickier as the ALPA guidelines don't necessarily need to be followed. What you would worry about is if they tried to Guadalupe Holdings incorporate JB like they did with AT. That's when it would get messy.
I'll take a merger with a legacy any day over SW. Plus, who wants to fly a POS boeing anyways?!
No we wouldn't be stapled to the bottom of the UA seniority list. In fact, my guess is the majority of JB pilots would be happy with how that integration went.
It doesn't matter what the pilot group does or doesn't do in relationship to how a merger would finalize. It's in the hands of 3-4 JB pilots (The chairman and 3 other M&A members) who have full authority and autonomy to negotiate and argue before a aribtration board.
A merger with SW would be trickier as the ALPA guidelines don't necessarily need to be followed. What you would worry about is if they tried to Guadalupe Holdings incorporate JB like they did with AT. That's when it would get messy.
I'll take a merger with a legacy any day over SW. Plus, who wants to fly a POS boeing anyways?!
Not happening anyway. United just announced they are hiring 4000 pilots between now and 2022. That wouldn’t be necessary if a merger with JB was on the horizon. Good news for anyone who wants to jump ship though.
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