Originally Posted by Trowserchilli

That would be the worst thing that could happen to the pilot group at B6. Your seniority would be slashed.
SWAPA is even suing Boeing now over the Max. If you don’t think they’ll tie your group up in litigation for years over seniority your mistaken.

Originally Posted by Learjet driver

I think you would be much happier with an SLI at SW. it would be a merger of equals. A United and JB deal would not be a merger of equals. The relative seniority SLI dream wouldn’t pan out.

Not happening anyway. United just announced they are hiring 4000 pilots between now and 2022. That wouldn’t be necessary if a merger with JB was on the horizon. Good news for anyone who wants to jump ship though.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206

So let’s say #1 NB CA at United had 30yrs longevity and 20yrs for the #1 JB NB CA. How do they calculate the multiplier? That always seemed like black magic to me.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

You’re making this too complicated. It doesn’t matter what seat you are in. Longevity is longevity. UAL/CAL and AA/US/AWA are an example. A list will be made that’s strictly longevity. Another strictly status/category. Based on the AA merger this is what it would look like.

77/78 CA
75/76 CA
Narrow CA
77/78 FO
75/76 FO
Narrow FO
E-190 CA
E-190 FO

Then they’d use a computer to put the lists together and fence off everything bigger than a NB for 15-20 years.

It would be that simple.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

You’re making this too complicated. It doesn’t matter what seat you are in. Longevity is longevity. UAL/CAL and AA/US/AWA are an example. A list will be made that’s strictly longevity. Another strictly status/category. Based on the AA merger this is what it would look like.

77/78 CA
75/76 CA
Narrow CA
77/78 FO
75/76 FO
Narrow FO
E-190 CA
E-190 FO

Then they’d use a computer to put the lists together and fence off everything bigger than a NB for 15-20 years.

It would be that simple.

Originally Posted by BunkerF16

M&A have 2 elements. Category/Class and Relative seniority. With a UA merger, or with any of the big 3 for that matter, there would be a fencing off of aircraft based on career expectations (Widebodies), then there would be an argument about the larger narrow body aircraft (75s). Besides the cat/class, you're looking at relative seniority and the only real arguing point there is how much of a longevity multiplier to you give the legacy airline pilots based on YOS. Once that's decided, you plug and play. This is over simlified but that's the 30K' view.

Again, I think a merger with JB and a Big 3 would still work out for the JB guys better. Especially the younger JB pilots. I still don't like the thoughts of a SW merger just because of the unknown and how they took in AT. I don't really care what condition of AT was in at the time of the merger. It might work out, but I wouldn't want the unknown factor they present.

Originally Posted by Learjet driver

Your merger with Southwest might be based on that but ALPA merger policy is based on 3 things.... Status (Capt or FO), Category and Class (777 vs. A320) and Longevity (1995 vs. 2015).

It never mentions relative seniority. In a merger of equals relative seniority usually plays out because of all three of those conditions.

United, American or Delta are not equal to JetBlue. Southwest on the other hand is.

Originally Posted by aldonite7667

Well, shouldn’t we try and hash out how the integration will go?

Just kidding. Die thread, Die!

Originally Posted by O2pilot

Half of AT was stapled in the merger. No ALPA protections since SWAPA is their own union. That’s a merger you DON’T want to happen.

Rumor I heard was Delta and United to buy JB fragment it after SWA buys Alaska. Delta wants BOS and United wants JFK and Florida.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

Half of AT was stapled in the merger. No ALPA protections since SWAPA is their own union. That’s a merger you DON’T want to happen.

Rumor I heard was Delta and United to buy JB fragment it after SWA buys Alaska. Delta wants BOS and United wants JFK and Florida.