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Old 10-05-2020, 05:19 AM
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How’s interest in bidding the A220 lately? Much interest? Obviously still some uncertainty with Covid.
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Old 10-05-2020, 05:36 AM
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There is suppose to be a supplemental bid in November apparently for the A220 for training starting after the new year. I'm sure it will come with some 190 reductions.
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Old 10-05-2020, 05:51 AM
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There is suppose to be a supplemental bid in November apparently for the A220 for training starting after the new year. I'm sure it will come with some 190 reductions.

Correct. From what I’ve heard about our fleet plan, we’ll lose about 5 E190s by Summer 2021, while gaining the same amount of A220s. Also a reduction of some of the old A320’s. I think A220 interest will be mixed.
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Old 10-05-2020, 07:31 AM
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I can’t see a ton of bus guys going 220 right away. Pay cut, plus more regional style flying. Tough call as well, bidding new equipment while everything is closed down at ocs. It would make for a long boring 4-6 wks of training.
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Some may bid it just to get BOS.
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Old 10-05-2020, 08:18 AM
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I can’t see a ton of bus guys going 220 right away. Pay cut, plus more regional style flying. Tough call as well, bidding new equipment while everything is closed down at ocs. It would make for a long boring 4-6 wks of training.
It'll be a mix, but I'm thinking will go mostly junior. You'll have some that will bid it, just because it is a new airplane, but still too many unknowns, in terms of flying and schedules. If we wouldn't have given up the IOE trips withholding, it would have been tempting to some to bid it if they are going to be senior and bid CKA trips and get a lot of trips bought off down the road.
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Old 10-05-2020, 08:21 AM
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It’s going to be another disaster. There will be possibly 70 displacements off the 190 as a result of going one for one. Of those 70, as the last bid has shown, likely half will voluntarily just bid what they want (Boston 320 etc.) It will be a huge trickle down and we will see another likely 10+ Boston 320 left seaters displaced with each bid that reduces 190 positions. This doesn’t even factor those who got displaced out of their seat and/or Boston last bid. Guessing a simple reduction of just a few planes will cost another large training event. Far more so than just the junior X amount of 190 pilots displaced. Willing to bet they are safe where they are as senior folks will use the opportunity to voluntary into a place they want without a vacancy.
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Originally Posted by David Puddy View Post
How’s interest in bidding the A220 lately? Much interest? Obviously still some uncertainty with Covid.
I'd say that most of the interest revolves around the QOL that the plane may or may not hold. We have no idea what the schedules will be yet. The rest will be the ooooh boy a new toy interest.
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
I can’t see a ton of bus guys going 220 right away. Pay cut, plus more regional style flying. Tough call as well, bidding new equipment while everything is closed down at ocs. It would make for a long boring 4-6 wks of training.
I don't think the pay will be as big of a driver as was on the 190. 320 vs 220 is only a few %. Plus remember the 220 is very capable of doing long flights. I think the mix will be interesting. Now that Florida is open for business so you can get an uber to whatever your pleasure, not so bad. I'm not gonna bid it, but I'm sure theres guys that are gonna jump for one reason or another.
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It’s going to be another disaster. There will be possibly 70 displacements off the 190 as a result of going one for one. Of those 70, as the last bid has shown, likely half will voluntarily just bid what they want (Boston 320 etc.) It will be a huge trickle down and we will see another likely 10+ Boston 320 left seaters displaced with each bid that reduces 190 positions. This doesn’t even factor those who got displaced out of their seat and/or Boston last bid. Guessing a simple reduction of just a few planes will cost another large training event. Far more so than just the junior X amount of 190 pilots displaced. Willing to bet they are safe where they are as senior folks will use the opportunity to voluntary into a place they want without a vacancy.
Respectfully, I disagree. Displacements are expensive for the company. They will reduce the number of 190 positions without a displacement. Some 190 guys will bid the 220 and some will take 320/321 vacancies opened up by those pilots bidding the 220. They will just carry a few more 190 pilots then they want rather then displacing. Why pay for displacements when guys will leave for free? In a couple years they will start making the trips unbearable to entice the stalwarts to bid off before they finally rip the Band-Aid off with a final displacement and liquidate the fleet.
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