Supplemental bid— FEB. 22nd
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 172
Yeah, great for the company. Pilot group, not so much.
I find it funny how many people I've been randomly running into celebrating the 190 going away, especially the MCO base. Notably, a new bus captain upgrade that can just barely hold it that was sitting at the table next to me in the schoolhouse break room recently. He was so thrilled there will be less 190s...clearly he has never considered the sheer mayhem that a displacement in Orlando will produce including getting kicked out of his seat. Not all the 190 pilots both CAs and FOs are going to be able to get on the MCO bus list and many current MCO FOs, on both planes, will get displaced as a result booting others out of the left seat.
I find it funny how many people I've been randomly running into celebrating the 190 going away, especially the MCO base. Notably, a new bus captain upgrade that can just barely hold it that was sitting at the table next to me in the schoolhouse break room recently. He was so thrilled there will be less 190s...clearly he has never considered the sheer mayhem that a displacement in Orlando will produce including getting kicked out of his seat. Not all the 190 pilots both CAs and FOs are going to be able to get on the MCO bus list and many current MCO FOs, on both planes, will get displaced as a result booting others out of the left seat.
swapping out a lower paying airframe for a higher paying one is good for the pilot group. Hopefully when the dust settles those that want to be in MCO will be able to hold it on the 320
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,002
Yeah, great for the company. Pilot group, not so much.
I find it funny how many people I've been randomly running into celebrating the 190 going away, especially the MCO base. Notably, a new bus captain upgrade that can just barely hold it that was sitting at the table next to me in the schoolhouse break room recently. He was so thrilled there will be less 190s...clearly he has never considered the sheer mayhem that a displacement in Orlando will produce including getting kicked out of his seat. Not all the 190 pilots both CAs and FOs are going to be able to get on the MCO bus list and many current MCO FOs, on both planes, will get displaced as a result booting others out of the left seat.
I find it funny how many people I've been randomly running into celebrating the 190 going away, especially the MCO base. Notably, a new bus captain upgrade that can just barely hold it that was sitting at the table next to me in the schoolhouse break room recently. He was so thrilled there will be less 190s...clearly he has never considered the sheer mayhem that a displacement in Orlando will produce including getting kicked out of his seat. Not all the 190 pilots both CAs and FOs are going to be able to get on the MCO bus list and many current MCO FOs, on both planes, will get displaced as a result booting others out of the left seat.
Same thing happened when the CBA was signed with the large pay disparity between the A320 and E190.
“Well I’m on the Airbus already so the 30% difference doesn’t really effect me. Wait….who are all these former 190 guys coming in and bumping me down?”
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 1,188
Yeah, great for the company. Pilot group, not so much.
I find it funny how many people I've been randomly running into celebrating the 190 going away, especially the MCO base. Notably, a new bus captain upgrade that can just barely hold it that was sitting at the table next to me in the schoolhouse break room recently. He was so thrilled there will be less 190s...clearly he has never considered the sheer mayhem that a displacement in Orlando will produce including getting kicked out of his seat. Not all the 190 pilots both CAs and FOs are going to be able to get on the MCO bus list and many current MCO FOs, on both planes, will get displaced as a result booting others out of the left seat.
I find it funny how many people I've been randomly running into celebrating the 190 going away, especially the MCO base. Notably, a new bus captain upgrade that can just barely hold it that was sitting at the table next to me in the schoolhouse break room recently. He was so thrilled there will be less 190s...clearly he has never considered the sheer mayhem that a displacement in Orlando will produce including getting kicked out of his seat. Not all the 190 pilots both CAs and FOs are going to be able to get on the MCO bus list and many current MCO FOs, on both planes, will get displaced as a result booting others out of the left seat.
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 597
That's exactly my point...those that are sitting low on the list in the left seat might want to hold off on that Tesla order. I know a guy who took the Bus upgrade and ran right out and bought a 700K house......just before the LAX displacement.
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 104
That’s just poor financial planning .
#29
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 983
This is what you’re basing your opinion on? Getting rid of the 190’s for 220’s is a win for the pilot group no matter how you look at it. MCO based pilots are the only ones taking a loss.
#30
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
If there was actual profit sharing given out, I’d use that as an argument for streamlining fleets, as it would have a positive impact to that. But the only argument you could make for pilot benefit is that the company will do better financially this way and better be able to afford more growth and higher pay rates. But, that’s a stretch imo.
Also from a pilot’s perspective, the 190 is a good plane for short stuff. The 220 is most efficient on routes 2 hours or greater and can’t currently do EYW and MVY. Scott L said a higher thrust variant -300 is coming and will likely be able to do EYW-JFK, but the pavement in MVY is (or was) restricted and won’t allow the -300 apparently. So, where does that leave jetblue from a network perspective. Let RJs fly that stuff with the NEA? Seems like a potential solution…one that I don’t particularly like. -100s are a solution, but it appears even now with the final nail in the 190 coffin, they don’t want -100s.
Last edited by BeatNavy; 02-15-2022 at 10:26 AM.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post