Any practical examples of McCaskill-Bond?
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As long as they have differing types they are by definition a separate category, unlike 319/320/321. A220 and A321 pilots are NOT interchangeable. The small difference in payscale between the two certainly mitigates the effect that will have on overall seniority but for everyday practical purposes (scheduling seniority and basing) having multiple types does have an effect. Even things as trivial as ETOPS/nonETOPS have their effects. It isn’t just payscale that affects QOL, particularly if you desire to live near a certain base.
An arbitrator breaking narrow-bodies into "small" and "large" is more likely if you were talking B717 vs B757-300s, not an overlapping capacity pair of types that basically pay within the distance between Chevy Chase's butt cheeks of each other.
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You are confused. Category doesn't mean type. I'm not EXACTLY sure of the precise definition, but it basically means narrow-body or wide-body. It CAN be further broken down into small-narrow-body and large-narrow-body, if the arbitrator thinks it's important, but frankly the A220 and A320 overlap as it is. The A220-300 has the range and capacity of the A319. Airbus at will almost certainly by the time SLI arbitration begins, will have announced the long anticipated A220-500, which will have A320 capacity and range. JB is likely to have an order placed for it by then as well. And our A220-300 pays more than your A320.
An arbitrator breaking narrow-bodies into "small" and "large" is more likely if you were talking B717 vs B757-300s, not an overlapping capacity pair of types that basically pay within the distance between Chevy Chase's butt cheeks of each other.
An arbitrator breaking narrow-bodies into "small" and "large" is more likely if you were talking B717 vs B757-300s, not an overlapping capacity pair of types that basically pay within the distance between Chevy Chase's butt cheeks of each other.
Plus, I believe the JBA220 pays more than the NKA320. Smaller airplane won’t be a thing.
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If I remember correctly, in the AS/VA mediation future orders were specifically excluded, only aircraft on property at the date the merger started. And serious question, because I can't figure it out, what date would that be for JB/NK? And upgrade times only played a small role as part of career expectations, so don't think it's going to help us at NK much. In the end nothing matters, but curious.
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If I remember correctly, in the AS/VA mediation future orders were specifically excluded, only aircraft on property at the date the merger started. And serious question, because I can't figure it out, what date would that be for JB/NK? And upgrade times only played a small role as part of career expectations, so don't think it's going to help us at NK much. In the end nothing matters, but curious.
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You are confused. Category doesn't mean type. I'm not EXACTLY sure of the precise definition, but it basically means narrow-body or wide-body. It CAN be further broken down into small-narrow-body and large-narrow-body, if the arbitrator thinks it's important, but frankly the A220 and A320 overlap as it is. The A220-300 has the range and capacity of the A319. Airbus will almost certainly by the time SLI arbitration begins, will have announced the long anticipated A220-500, which will have A320 capacity and range. JB is likely to have an order placed for it by then as well. And our A220-300 pays more than your A320.
An arbitrator breaking narrow-bodies into "small" and "large" is more likely if you were talking B717 vs B757-300s, not an overlapping capacity pair of types that basically pay within the distance between Chevy Chase's butt cheeks of each other.
An arbitrator breaking narrow-bodies into "small" and "large" is more likely if you were talking B717 vs B757-300s, not an overlapping capacity pair of types that basically pay within the distance between Chevy Chase's butt cheeks of each other.
This is what American’s SLI looked like in the end. (Not counting longevity)
Tier 1 777,A330 CA
Tier 2 767,757 CA
Tier 3 737, MD-80, A-320 CA
Tier 4 777,A330 FO
Tier 5 767,757 FO
Tier 6 737, MD-80, A-320 FO
Tier 7 E-190 CA
Tier 8 E-190 FO
The A-220 is an E-190 replacement and will likely be treated as a lower category than an A-320.
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They did in United/CAL and American/USAir. The 757-200s and -300s were placed in a higher category than 737 and Airbus 319/320. At American they had 4 groups, and the lowest was E-190. Not only that the arbitrators put the The A220 is clearly not an A320 and will likely be a lower category.
This is what American’s SLI looked like in the end. (Not counting longevity)
Tier 1 777,A330 CA
Tier 2 767,757 CA
Tier 3 737, MD-80, A-320 CA
Tier 4 777,A330 FO
Tier 5 767,757 FO
Tier 6 737, MD-80, A-320 FO
Tier 7 E-190 CA
Tier 8 E-190 FO
The A-220 is an E-190 replacement and will likely be treated as a lower category than an A-320.
This is what American’s SLI looked like in the end. (Not counting longevity)
Tier 1 777,A330 CA
Tier 2 767,757 CA
Tier 3 737, MD-80, A-320 CA
Tier 4 777,A330 FO
Tier 5 767,757 FO
Tier 6 737, MD-80, A-320 FO
Tier 7 E-190 CA
Tier 8 E-190 FO
The A-220 is an E-190 replacement and will likely be treated as a lower category than an A-320.
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