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12-15-2022 | 11:28 AM
#61
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"The rates of pay applicable to the A321 are 110% of the rates of pay set forth in section 3.A. for all credit including minimum guarantee, training, deadheading, vacation, sick leave, reserve, flight pay, and minimum pay for a trip. The rates of pay for Airbus pilots shall be based on the ratio of total system-wide A321 block time to the sum of system-wide A319 / 320 / 321 block time in the month. For example, 2400 block hours (50%) are flown in the 321, and 2400 combined block hours (50%) are flown in the 319/320. Therefore all airbus pilots shall be paid 105% of their rate of pay, regardless of which aircraft they are assigned. The overage shall be paid on the second paycheck in the following month."
12-15-2022 | 11:32 AM
#62
Line Holder
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From: Hack pilot
Lemme get this straight—you want to be paid your 90 hour instructor guarantee, on Captain pay, without having the same FOM or FAR mandated required flight hours as a line pilot? And without having to go fly that seat/accept that level of responsibility on your two flight days each month?
You seem to be forgetting (or unaware) why you’re capped at two days of flying a month. You get to be effectively based in MCO completely out of seniority order, and you get to VDA/RSA/do your two flying days out of MCO as well, also out of seniority order. Meanwhile, a line pilot 4000 numbers senior to you can’t pickup a seat support, or simply bid into an instructor role.
And, once we hold a reserve CA seat in someplace like JFK, we actually have to commute up there and sit reserve to get our CA check. You don’t.
Given the above compromises, I think I’d be careful what I wish for when it comes to disrupting the current system in place. If I recall, you’re able to go to the line/adjunct if you need the hours to upgrade, right?
You seem to be forgetting (or unaware) why you’re capped at two days of flying a month. You get to be effectively based in MCO completely out of seniority order, and you get to VDA/RSA/do your two flying days out of MCO as well, also out of seniority order. Meanwhile, a line pilot 4000 numbers senior to you can’t pickup a seat support, or simply bid into an instructor role.
And, once we hold a reserve CA seat in someplace like JFK, we actually have to commute up there and sit reserve to get our CA check. You don’t.
Given the above compromises, I think I’d be careful what I wish for when it comes to disrupting the current system in place. If I recall, you’re able to go to the line/adjunct if you need the hours to upgrade, right?
Instructors do work hard, but it’s really hard to see the resounding negatives.
12-15-2022 | 12:10 PM
#63
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Once you upgrade and commute to JFK like you said you lose the ability to be an instructor/adjunct. Why? Because they don’t want to pay CA rates for adjuncts and full timers. So guys get instructor jobs, stay down in MCO, eventually upgrade on paper get CA pay while being based in Orlando. I say this as a 7yr MCO FO. I would not want the system changed if I were an IP.
Instructors do work hard, but it’s really hard to see the resounding negatives.
Instructors do work hard, but it’s really hard to see the resounding negatives.
Demanding the ability to fly more while keeping their position—all while adjunct/the line/VDA/RSA are readily available options for this person to get their FAR/FOM upgrade hours—it’s tone deaf and only serves to cast attention on a role that some folks would love to gut, given the opportunity.
That role is a privilege—not an entitlement.
Last edited by DontCallMeCindy; 12-15-2022 at 12:23 PM.
12-15-2022 | 12:24 PM
#65
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
12-15-2022 | 12:24 PM
#66
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From: fifi whisperer
not sure if true or not, but how is that bringing down the industry??
let’s wait for concrete facts first, but even if that is accurate, that’s industry leading, right?
12-15-2022 | 12:25 PM
#67
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
12-15-2022 | 12:25 PM
#68
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12-15-2022 | 12:30 PM
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12-15-2022 | 12:32 PM
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