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12-15-2022, 08:40 AM
#53
New Hire
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 2
This may have been posted already. It’s just a SWAG at their proposed rates. Stole it from the Delta AIP thread. Might be helpful later.
DOS 12 year CA/FO
350/330/764 $417/$285
757/763/321NEO $349/$238
321/739 $336/$230
319/320/738 $335/$228
223 $323/$220
221 $310/$211
717 $301/$205
DOS +3 12 year CA/FO
350/330/764 $474/$323
757/763/321NEO $396/$271
321/739 $382/$261
319/320/738 $380/$259
223 $367/$250
221 $352/$240
717 $342/$233
DOS 12 year CA/FO
350/330/764 $417/$285
757/763/321NEO $349/$238
321/739 $336/$230
319/320/738 $335/$228
223 $323/$220
221 $310/$211
717 $301/$205
DOS +3 12 year CA/FO
350/330/764 $474/$323
757/763/321NEO $396/$271
321/739 $382/$261
319/320/738 $380/$259
223 $367/$250
221 $352/$240
717 $342/$233
12-15-2022, 08:42 AM
#54
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by Mikeer50
I don’t think the 321 rates were applied to that list. They look like the 320 rates, I could be wrong. Or, I could be miss-reading the note.
12-15-2022, 08:45 AM
#55
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2018
Position: Airline Employee
Posts: 366
Originally Posted by FuzzyMulberry12
321 override is not when you "fly" a 321, its a percentage based on fleet size.
12-15-2022, 08:54 AM
#56
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by IAFDOF
That’s a dumb system. They couldnt even get just an Airbus rate in their new TA? For all the whining we do here, it’s gonna be like rescuing a box of malnurished puppies when we merge.
12-15-2022, 10:52 AM
#58
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 97
Originally Posted by BackseatPilot
From an instructor perspective, there had better be a clause paying what we can hold, irrelevant of jetblue or 121 time. We have too many instructors that are on FO rates because they are only allowed to fly two days a month.
Also, given that nothing else is being negotiated to allow for better and more comparable work rules, pay had better be significantly higher than any of the majors.
Also, given that nothing else is being negotiated to allow for better and more comparable work rules, pay had better be significantly higher than any of the majors.
You seem to be forgetting (or unaware) why you’re capped at two days of flying a month. You get to be effectively based in MCO completely out of seniority order, and you get to VDA/RSA/do your two flying days out of MCO as well, also out of seniority order. Meanwhile, a line pilot 4000 numbers senior to you can’t pickup a seat support, or simply bid into an instructor role.
And, once we hold a reserve CA seat in someplace like JFK, we actually have to commute up there and sit reserve to get our CA check. You don’t.
Given the above compromises, I think I’d be careful what I wish for when it comes to disrupting the current system in place. If I recall, you’re able to go to the line/adjunct if you need the hours to upgrade, right?
Last edited by DontCallMeCindy; 12-15-2022 at 11:18 AM.
12-15-2022, 10:53 AM
#59
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 51
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You might be misunderstanding the way it's calculated and paid. I actually like the concept overall, but would add a "can't go down" clause to it. And it would apply to all paid events, such as vacation, training and sick time. Add that all up and I like it better than two separate pay rates.
12-15-2022, 11:23 AM
#60
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Hack pilot
Posts: 216
Originally Posted by avi8orco
Yeah, ok….instructors have it bad….
I remember back when I was based in MCO with 8 years in pulling gear for instructors in the left seat with 4 or 5 years getting 90 hrs of left seat pay and they’re b!tching about something.
Basically based on MCO with a “paper bid” of BOS captain, flying senior day trips they get to pick and choose that they wouldn’t have a chance holding even as a line FO, and getting paid captain pay while sitting next to FOs well senior to them who don’t have a prayer in holding any of that
Complain somewhere else
I remember back when I was based in MCO with 8 years in pulling gear for instructors in the left seat with 4 or 5 years getting 90 hrs of left seat pay and they’re b!tching about something.
Basically based on MCO with a “paper bid” of BOS captain, flying senior day trips they get to pick and choose that they wouldn’t have a chance holding even as a line FO, and getting paid captain pay while sitting next to FOs well senior to them who don’t have a prayer in holding any of that
Complain somewhere else
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