TA passed. Onward to JBCA
01-31-2023, 08:44 AM
#51
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,108
Lots of wind at your back.
By the time the JCBA negotiations begin the United and American pilots will have new contracts.
They may differ from Delta’s, but the pay rates will be equal or better.
Spirit has many breathtaking items in their contract. Study them and never let them go.
Hopefully the United and AA pilots match Delta’s profit sharing. That will make your case much easier.
By the time the JCBA negotiations begin the United and American pilots will have new contracts.
They may differ from Delta’s, but the pay rates will be equal or better.
Spirit has many breathtaking items in their contract. Study them and never let them go.
Hopefully the United and AA pilots match Delta’s profit sharing. That will make your case much easier.
01-31-2023, 09:16 AM
#52
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Flyby for MEC chair
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Works for me...
Originally Posted by Boomer
Under our current contract you call out sick on day 3 and your PTO is only dinged one reserve day, 4:12.
Having to pay for the entire 3-day out of PTO would be a big step backward. I can see the benefit if you have a habit of calling out sick every month.
Having to pay for the entire 3-day out of PTO would be a big step backward. I can see the benefit if you have a habit of calling out sick every month.
I agree, I would only be in favor of the idea if you were docked 4:12/day of the sick-as-needed occurence.
01-31-2023, 03:30 PM
#53
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Under our current contract you call out sick on day 3 and your PTO is only dinged one reserve day, 4:12.
Having to pay for the entire 3-day out of PTO would be a big step backward. I can see the benefit if you have a habit of calling out sick every month.
Having to pay for the entire 3-day out of PTO would be a big step backward. I can see the benefit if you have a habit of calling out sick every month.
The scenario is you have a 5-day block of reserve, and on day one you don't feel well (and believe it will last several days). Under the current contract you have to call in sick, even though they may not call you all week. Or, you could roll the dice, and call in sick if you get an assignment, but I believe that triggers a dependability review...
So "sick if needed" let's you keep your PTO *UNLESS* they actually need to assign you something.
01-31-2023, 04:00 PM
#54
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 318
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Not disagreeing about the 3 days of sick time problem, but you are missing an important detail about the scenario.
The scenario is you have a 5-day block of reserve, and on day one you don't feel well (and believe it will last several days). Under the current contract you have to call in sick, even though they may not call you all week. Or, you could roll the dice, and call in sick if you get an assignment, but I believe that triggers a dependability review...
So "sick if needed" let's you keep your PTO *UNLESS* they actually need to assign you something.
The scenario is you have a 5-day block of reserve, and on day one you don't feel well (and believe it will last several days). Under the current contract you have to call in sick, even though they may not call you all week. Or, you could roll the dice, and call in sick if you get an assignment, but I believe that triggers a dependability review...
So "sick if needed" let's you keep your PTO *UNLESS* they actually need to assign you something.
01-31-2023, 04:42 PM
#55
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
The scenario is you have a 5-day block of reserve, and on day one you don't feel well (and believe it will last several days). Under the current contract you have to call in sick, even though they may not call you all week. Or, you could roll the dice, and call in sick if you get an assignment, but I believe that triggers a dependability review...
So "sick if needed" let's you keep your PTO *UNLESS* they actually need to assign you something.
So "sick if needed" let's you keep your PTO *UNLESS* they actually need to assign you something.
On point, we need to find little nuggets like these in other contracts that make QOL good…. This was just one example.
01-31-2023, 05:08 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Not disagreeing about the 3 days of sick time problem, but you are missing an important detail about the scenario.
The scenario is you have a 5-day block of reserve, and on day one you don't feel well (and believe it will last several days). Under the current contract you have to call in sick, even though they may not call you all week. Or, you could roll the dice, and call in sick if you get an assignment, but I believe that triggers a dependability review...
So "sick if needed" let's you keep your PTO *UNLESS* they actually need to assign you something.
The scenario is you have a 5-day block of reserve, and on day one you don't feel well (and believe it will last several days). Under the current contract you have to call in sick, even though they may not call you all week. Or, you could roll the dice, and call in sick if you get an assignment, but I believe that triggers a dependability review...
So "sick if needed" let's you keep your PTO *UNLESS* they actually need to assign you something.
01-31-2023, 11:39 PM
#57
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 918
Originally Posted by Boomer
Then put me down as “Sick if needed” for June - July.
So in that example, with B6 current contract, you’d be off from day 3 to 5 but will lose PTO for that 3 day trip credit. Again, correct me if they are not suppose to be doing that.
02-01-2023, 09:03 AM
#59
Bluediver the REAL deal
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 327
Originally Posted by Bgood
One thing that I will also add. Currently if we call out sick after an assignment, they deduct the amount of PTO based on the amount of credit that trip was worth, so not just 1 day of reserve. Unless they are doing it wrong, someone can point me to where the CBA prohibits this.
So in that example, with B6 current contract, you’d be off from day 3 to 5 but will lose PTO for that 3 day trip credit. Again, correct me if they are not suppose to be doing that.
So in that example, with B6 current contract, you’d be off from day 3 to 5 but will lose PTO for that 3 day trip credit. Again, correct me if they are not suppose to be doing that.
02-01-2023, 11:41 AM
#60
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
In fact that is not correct at all. At one time they did, but CBA 7.C.1. Specifically addresses this “including a pilot who has been assigned a pairing who calls out sick prior to report.”
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