JFK 190 Closing, JFK 220 Opening
#31
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no…
At the rate this merger is going it won’t be until Q1 of next year at best.
Court case in October
Court decision will “attempt to rule before years end”
On a side note, “constructive notice date” will likely be merger announcement date.(7/28/22) All DOH after that and at the rate this merger is going a pretty large % on the combined list will like be slotted DOH after CND.(about 540/4900 for JB)
It will likely be 2025 before we even sniff a SLI. At that point how many combined pilots will the two airlines have hired post merger CND. It’s going to cushion the SLI blow a bit for whoever loses.
Thread creep complete.
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[QUOTE=AYLflyer;3651687]I'm one of those, and I'm not happy about it. I'm actually updating my apps for the first time in a long time. If I'm going to go backwards after a number of years here, I might as well just start over flying for Delta or United at this point. It's crazy to me that we're seeing generational hiring/movement yet our pilots are stagnating and going backwards.
This👆🏽……you seem to get it. Sure East Coast guys at 2-4 years have less justification for complaining than someone whose spent a lifetime at LAX, but my point was at legacies with the same seniority you would be in a very different position. It’s like over there it’s HOT HOT HOT and people are grilling away, and we are saying “there is a microwave being brought to my room.”While over there over at legacies at least one retirement per day helps, but it isn’t exclusively that. We all knew or should have known that there weren’t many retirements but I was and maybe you too thought there would be more growth and the now the legacies are beating us at our own game. This Management group has made a lot of compounding bad decisions that will unfortunately effect our career progression.
[QUOTE=AYLflyer] This was my argument with a few guys who said "It's not the company's fault, we knew the 190 was going away".
To be fair to you… the company has changed their official position at least once about the 190’s only to reverse course to their original position and accelerate their drawdown……..we all know the prior to NK acquisition the real clandestine strategy was to have the 220 replace the 320…….and the replacement for the 190 was to have flights flown by American Eagle brands within the NEA.
There have been many that have speculated that and it’s not such a crazy idea that next summer the company may not be ready to have the BOS 190 displacement.
This👆🏽……you seem to get it. Sure East Coast guys at 2-4 years have less justification for complaining than someone whose spent a lifetime at LAX, but my point was at legacies with the same seniority you would be in a very different position. It’s like over there it’s HOT HOT HOT and people are grilling away, and we are saying “there is a microwave being brought to my room.”While over there over at legacies at least one retirement per day helps, but it isn’t exclusively that. We all knew or should have known that there weren’t many retirements but I was and maybe you too thought there would be more growth and the now the legacies are beating us at our own game. This Management group has made a lot of compounding bad decisions that will unfortunately effect our career progression.
[QUOTE=AYLflyer] This was my argument with a few guys who said "It's not the company's fault, we knew the 190 was going away".
To be fair to you… the company has changed their official position at least once about the 190’s only to reverse course to their original position and accelerate their drawdown……..we all know the prior to NK acquisition the real clandestine strategy was to have the 220 replace the 320…….and the replacement for the 190 was to have flights flown by American Eagle brands within the NEA.
There have been many that have speculated that and it’s not such a crazy idea that next summer the company may not be ready to have the BOS 190 displacement.
#33
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This was my argument with a few guys who said "It's not the company's fault, we knew the 190 was going away".
we all know the prior to NK acquisition the real clandestine strategy was to have the 220 replace the 320…….and the replacement for the 190 was to have flights flown by American Eagle brands within the NEA.
.[/QUOTE]
No....I don't think we all knew that.
we all know the prior to NK acquisition the real clandestine strategy was to have the 220 replace the 320…….and the replacement for the 190 was to have flights flown by American Eagle brands within the NEA.
.[/QUOTE]
No....I don't think we all knew that.
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I could drive to work for either JB or DL/AA/UA. I'm here because I'm happy here and while progression is slow, I haven't wanted to start over because, well, I'm content. Nobody knows what the results will be right now, but at my seniority I'm now most likely going to lose my seat. Then I'll have to wait for the August bids to see if I can rehold the left seat. Meanwhile friends who left for a legacy are able to upgrade ASAP or go fly WB almost out of training OR stay narrowbody FO in a junior base (Which I'm near) and rocketship up the seniority list.
Point is, as stated below the rest of the industry is seeing ridiculous movement, yet our guys are losing their seats. I haven't seriously considered moving on for a while, but with this annoucement, plus the possibility of going backwards in seniority when the Spirit purchase happens, it makes me take a long, hard look at making the jump and starting over now, rather than waiting any longer.
Point is, as stated below the rest of the industry is seeing ridiculous movement, yet our guys are losing their seats. I haven't seriously considered moving on for a while, but with this annoucement, plus the possibility of going backwards in seniority when the Spirit purchase happens, it makes me take a long, hard look at making the jump and starting over now, rather than waiting any longer.
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I also don’t know your age/location of primary residence/ age of your children if any and a whole range of other things. I do know you have less than 2 years here.
So let’s say you are under 45 and live within drivable distance of a legacy domecile the decision to leave is a brainer as opposed to a no brainer……..but I think you would wise to entertain the idea of sending out apps. With at least 1 retirement a day, that should mitigate some potential pitfalls of the economy, where as for us that wouldn’t be the case….furthermore once we team up with Spirit…..their clientele would be disproportionately effected.
You may have to swallow your pride to know that some instagramer with more followers than hours will be senior to you….don’t let that cloud your judgement for you to do what is best for you and your family.
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I think using historical logic/wisdom I would say you would be right to be hesitant to move on.
I also don’t know your age/location of primary residence/ age of your children if any and a whole range of other things. I do know you have less than 2 years here.
So let’s say you are under 45 and live within drivable distance of a legacy domecile the decision to leave is a brainer as opposed to a no brainer……..but I think you would wise to entertain the idea of sending out apps. With at least 1 retirement a day, that should mitigate some potential pitfalls of the economy, where as for us that wouldn’t be the case….furthermore once we team up with Spirit…..their clientele would be disproportionately effected.
You may have to swallow your pride to know that some instagramer with more followers than hours will be senior to you….don’t let that cloud your judgement for you to do what is best for you and your family.
I also don’t know your age/location of primary residence/ age of your children if any and a whole range of other things. I do know you have less than 2 years here.
So let’s say you are under 45 and live within drivable distance of a legacy domecile the decision to leave is a brainer as opposed to a no brainer……..but I think you would wise to entertain the idea of sending out apps. With at least 1 retirement a day, that should mitigate some potential pitfalls of the economy, where as for us that wouldn’t be the case….furthermore once we team up with Spirit…..their clientele would be disproportionately effected.
You may have to swallow your pride to know that some instagramer with more followers than hours will be senior to you….don’t let that cloud your judgement for you to do what is best for you and your family.
Yeah its tricky for me. I like to pick everyones brain that is considering leaving
#37
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Ah, the big recession the "experts" have been saying is just around the corner for the last two years?
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But my crystal ball is last year's model, doesn't have all the latest gizmos. But understand certain groups/talking heads want you to believe the sky is falling and there's nothing but impending doom. That's manipulation marketing, not reality.
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They have paused raising rates. But they had to do it, because there was way too much demand for too few goods/services. Which was driving unsustainable inflation. But, as I said, the fed has paused it's rate hikes for now, hopefully believing that they've reduced demand enough. But the markets are back moving towards their all-time highs and the unemployment rate is at historical lows, planes still full. It's looking more and more possible that there won't be a significant recession in consumer spending overall. Although housing will probably not do well with high interest rates.
But my crystal ball is last year's model, doesn't have all the latest gizmos. But understand certain groups/talking heads want you to believe the sky is falling and there's nothing but impending doom. That's manipulation marketing, not reality.
But my crystal ball is last year's model, doesn't have all the latest gizmos. But understand certain groups/talking heads want you to believe the sky is falling and there's nothing but impending doom. That's manipulation marketing, not reality.
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