ARL120384

The easiest thing would to just have excess vacancies and run a little fat. I talked to CK at the union PUB event Wednesday. Flight Ops does not want to displace anyone, but as we all know, Flight Ops doesn't create or run the bids, or apparently have any input for that matter.....

AYLflyer

I'm one of those, and I'm not happy about it. I'm actually updating my apps for the first time in a long time. If I'm going to go backwards after a number of years here, I might as well just start over flying for Delta or United at this point. It's crazy to me that we're seeing generational hiring/movement yet our pilots are stagnating and going backwards.

This was my argument with a few guys who said "It's not the company's fault, we knew the 190 was going away". Of course we knew it was going away, but rather than, I dunno, continue to payout VDA after VDA to the same 7 dudes, why don't we actually run a little fat for a bit and actually have reserves we can use, and a reserve grid that isn't immediately red after the initial FCFS window.

Softpayman

Updating apps announcement!

Jr pilot upset. What do you mean going backwards? Your seniority # isn’t changing.

Flyby1206

Likely a junior CA about to get displaced to FO. That is a tough pill to swallow at any time, but particularly in the current industry framework of 1-3yr CAs at legacies. I'd trade 10% of my seniority number if I could get 10% of relative in base/seat seniority spots.

Roy Biggins

Yea that would be enough for me to leave as well, although the writing has been on the wall for a while. Not for nothing, but 190 Captain went junior for a reason. Nobody wants it.

RiddleEagle18

You can’t do it just with vacancies. That’s not realistic.

The way they are doing it now is the best way.(or at least better than last years) By running the supplemental with an effective date in march, they are creating a bunch of displacement rights. Then running the yearly after those results with vacancies before march, you are giving as many pilots as possible the ability to use those newly earned displacement rights to get back to their original category before they ever feel the effects(training or base moves)of the supplemental.

When the results from the supplemental are posted people are gonna freak out but the entire picture won’t be known until after the august bid results. Because of the way our bids are run that’s gonna take about 10 weeks.

AYLflyer

I could drive to work for either JB or DL/AA/UA. I'm here because I'm happy here and while progression is slow, I haven't wanted to start over because, well, I'm content. Nobody knows what the results will be right now, but at my seniority I'm now most likely going to lose my seat. Then I'll have to wait for the August bids to see if I can rehold the left seat. Meanwhile friends who left for a legacy are able to upgrade ASAP or go fly WB almost out of training OR stay narrowbody FO in a junior base (Which I'm near) and rocketship up the seniority list.

Point is, as stated below the rest of the industry is seeing ridiculous movement, yet our guys are losing their seats. I haven't seriously considered moving on for a while, but with this annoucement, plus the possibility of going backwards in seniority when the Spirit purchase happens, it makes me take a long, hard look at making the jump and starting over now, rather than waiting any longer.

Bluedriver

The best thing that can happen for this pilot group is for the E190 to be parked as fast as possible and replaced by the A220. Spirit's merger committee will be arguing aggressively that the JB E190 pilots should be integrated separately and after all Spirit pilots because they argue it's a smaller category/class of aircraft. That will affect all JB pilots, not just the ones currently on the E190 or those at the bottom of the list.

Those harms to seniority last forever, the temporary pain of the bottom of the E190 CA list is temporary.

Park them as fast as possible in my opinion. It shouldn't matter, because they were announced to be parked before the merger announcement, but you never know for sure which argument the arbitrator will buy, and we shouldn't take any chances.

RiddleEagle18

this right here.

while I think that argument is BS it certainly can’t hurt to remove the argument all together.

”premerger equities” in the AK/VA merger were snapshoted at corporate closure of the merger. Everyday that passes before that happens helps.

as it stands right now no JetBlue pilot has the career expectation beyond 2024 to fly anything but a 220 or 320.

Softpayman

Have we reached corporate closure of the merger?