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05-21-2023, 07:25 AM
#31
Bluediver the REAL deal
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 327
Originally Posted by disenchantMINT
Out of base OT being restricted does NOT suck. There are myriad reasons why it's not allowed, primary of which is to prevent seniority abrogation. This should not be allowed much less entertained during JCBA talks.
Like the abrogation that happens in MCO every month?
05-23-2023, 05:57 AM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 357
Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
I hear and completely understand what you’re saying, but there’s some middle ground to be had here. Parameters put in place. A trip sitting in JFK open time for 2.5 weeks that no one wants should be able to be flown by a Newark pilot that wants to pick up. Instead it’s going to burn a reserve. And it’s been there all month. No, that’s fuqing stupid.
05-25-2023, 08:39 AM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 157
Originally Posted by disenchantMINT
Out of base OT being restricted does NOT suck. There are myriad reasons why it's not allowed, primary of which is to prevent seniority abrogation. This should not be allowed much less entertained during JCBA talks.
05-26-2023, 09:34 AM
#37
off weekends (if Reserve)
Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 289
Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
I hear and completely understand what you’re saying, but there’s some middle ground to be had here. Parameters put in place. A trip sitting in JFK open time for 2.5 weeks that no one wants should be able to be flown by a Newark pilot that wants to pick up. Instead it’s going to burn a reserve. And it’s been there all month. No, that’s fuqing stupid.
05-26-2023, 09:46 AM
#38
off weekends (if Reserve)
Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 289
Originally Posted by disenchantMINT
I'm happy for you that you care more about not burning reserves (and, therefore, not increasing total staffing) than not abrogating seniority.
05-28-2023, 07:33 AM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 983
Originally Posted by 11atsomto
Perhaps Bliggins would prefer what AA or Delta must do and cover all 3 metro NY airports. He likes the drive to EWR when it suits him but the productivity of JFK...don't we all. Me thinks he would not be so keen to take that first upgrade if he lived in say Pennsylvania. Perhaps he doesn't remember the days of pre EWR base where WE were paid to limo to EWR. I'm sure the company would love take that away in exchange for all encompassing NYC base. Bottom line is this: if you want to eat go to JFK, there is 48% less food (daily departures) at EWR now there there was a year ago. I’lladmit as a West of Hudson guy life was better for me pre EWR base, but it is a Seniority based system.
05-28-2023, 02:51 PM
#40
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Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 289
Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
I think there’s a point somewhere in here. You’re all over the place. Yes, seniority. You know what else is seniority? Our VDA system. And that’s a broken mess. In case you miss it, my point is there’s middle ground to satisfy a larger percentage of the pilot group WHILE respecting seniority.
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