Now that I am awake with food in me, I was going to respond to the list, but it seems like like everyone else beat me to the punch. I will absolutely take your X/Y list. I hate that our current premium system is so biased towards the top 20%.

 

how does your premium system work?

 

I asked this question because I was not aware of how dropping at B6 works. It’s important to me because I drop to 40-50 hours per month, most of the time. If I need extra money, then I don’t drop as far. I haves lived in and out of base. Even in base, I don’t play the 200% game. I know guys that do it, and it works really well for them. The ability to only drop to 70 sucks for me. I hope that changes in the JCBA

 

Voluntary Day Off assignments (VDA) pays 200%, you put yourself on a list and scheduling calls in seniority order when they have a trip that needs to be covered. Report time can be 1hr, or 10hrs away. Call often goes like this:

CS: "How quick can you get to the airport?"
Pilot: "Umm, about 2hrs"
CS: "Ok, we're bypassing you and going to find someone who can get there faster *click*

Most super senior guys drop their whole month (give it away via the tradeboard) and mark themselves VDA for the whole month and clean house flying 200% every day.

The other option is Premium trips. These are picked up in Flica first come, first served. CS marks a trip as PREM when they feel like it and pilots can then pick it up for 150%. Trip might be 3hrs from now, might be tomorrow, no limits on report time. Often times CS is too lazy to mark it as PREM and they skip right to calling VDAs.

One other option is RSA (I forget the acronym, Reserve System Augmentation or something). CS sends an email advertising extra SCR RAPs for pickup via flica first come first served. Lineholders or RSVs can pick these up. Each SCR RAP pays 4.2hrs @ 150%, or if you fly during that RAP you get the value of the trip @ 175%.

Reserve pilots are eligible for VDA, PREM, and RSA trips. All go above the 75hr guarantee.

One big difference I noticed reading the NK contract is lineholders lose access to opentime within 2 days (Edited: previously thought it was 3) from report time where JB can ADD/SWAP trips from Flica up to 3.5hrs before report time. Weather rolls through, lots of broken pairings start dropping in and guys swap/add trips for easy soft time. It helps the company too because there's no way we'd have enough staffing to cover the IROPs with RSV pilots only. They need lineholders to come pick up the easy stuff too.

 

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One big difference I noticed reading the NK contract is lineholders lose access to opentime within 3 days (I think it was 3?) from report time where JB can ADD/SWAP trips from Flica up to 3.5hrs before report time. Weather rolls through, lots of broken pairings start dropping in and guys swap/add trips for easy soft time. It helps the company too because there's no way we'd have enough staffing to cover the IROPs with RSV pilots only. They need lineholders to come pick up the easy stuff too.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me? Half of an average months paycheck comes from cleaning up broken pairings and the Spirit group can't do that? Damn that blows for them. You get a ton of schedule flexibility in those final 72 hours, and make a ton more money doing that.

 

Yeah, I was surprised at that too. Hence their comments of RSVs having to suck it up because they really do get pounded for that. I can't count the times I sit SCR here at JB watching an ugly 4day pop into OT only to be swapped for something later in the week by a lineholder. I'll be sending a lot of Chirstmas cards to these heroes who save my butt every day 😂

 

We can drop to 0 via the tradeboard. So if someone takes your pairings from you, you're good to go.

Straight drop is the issue. My biggest gripe with the drop to 70 is that it makes it impossible to work my schedule around. I [gasp] don't care about drop to 0, but wish it would let us drop to say, 50 for example.

So many times I've wanted to swap a trip in open time and it would net me 69hrs, so flica denies it. Or multiple times I've wanted out of a 2 or 3 day for a day turn, with the full intention of picking up multiple trips to get me back up above 70hrs, but it won't let you. That hard line is way too high and that needs to change.

 

It's 2 days at NK for that then those broken trips get assigned to reserves or go out as calls on the x/y premium list at 200%

 

DTZ solves this issue for you and it's already in our CBA. it provides maximum flexibility to do whatever you want with your schedule.

But let's just give it away and negotiate a higher credit minimum??? Makes ****in perfect sense right!?! Idiots.

 

​​​​​​ This thread is just to talk about the things we're willing to put the most effort in in contract negotiations. What sorts of things are you willing to make compromises on, and what sorts of things are you willing to die on the hill for?

Before you say we shouldn't ever make any compromises, I would invite you to come live in reality with the rest of us.

Yes, we're going to have a really good negotiating position, but it doesn't hurt anything to figure out where everyone's priorities lie. If the majority of the spirit pilot group is still in favor of what they have now, that's great for them....

I think most the rest of us here are determining where our priorities lie, and the spirit representatives on here aren't doing a very good job of making the case for much from their current contract.

This is how these contract comparisons keep going

Spirit guys "Oh man X Y and Z from our contract is so awesomeness"

B6 guy "Hey can you explain how X Y and Z work?"

​​​​​​Spirit Guys "explains the ins and outs"

B6 guy "Hmmm well I like X but I have a problem with how Y and Z are implemented, and I can't help but notice you are missing A through W to have X Y and Z... maybe I will focus on improving the things we have and bringing over X and the part of Y that I like"

Spirit guy "No you just don't understand, you'll somehow never work another holiday, or fly another flight for less than 200% if you do it our way REEEEE"

Repeat forever.