The one resource that we only have a finite amount in life is time, and there is nothing more important to me than the ability to self-determine my time. I do not live to serve a corporation.

I'm worried that this is where the cultural divide b/w our pilot groups is. That, and JB's union leadership is new and Stolkholm Syndromed under a crappy contract for a long time. I've read through both and think Spirit's is far superior. There's much more too it than "hurr durr, hourly number higher" and then wonder why a NK guy shows you a higher W2.

Please take the time to understand, and be open minded about how our contract works. We have a unique opportunity with this JCBA to make this the best contract in the industry and best airline to work for.

 

This is much more eloquent than I've been. All comes down to time. Wanna work? Great! Don't wanna work? Great!

 

I am not trying to pick a fight here, but you may be the first I have seen to think that Spirits current contract is "far superior" or even "superior" or even "better" I have seen pilots in both sides of our forums talking about how our current one is better than yours with the citations to prove it. These are Spirit and Jetblue Pilots.

In what ways is Spirits better other than the dead horse that is DTZ/Grid Rules? Because those are good feathers in a cap, but a small part of an overall contract.

Plus I really really doubt the average Spirit pilot out earns his counterparts. Because it is specifically in compensation and compensation related work rules that you are lacking. And specifically the ability to get out of work or reassign work that you are ahead, both of which lead to less credit.

 

I will be damned, I read through through last years W2 end of year thread and can't find an NK pilots claiming to outearn his B6/AA/DL/UA peers, I think this guy may be high on his own supply.

 

I've seen a training department guy north of $800k pure W2. An outlier for sure, but it's there if you want it.

Me? I wanna chill when I wanna chill. Make money when I wanna make money. Drop to 70? Imma be a no, dogg.

 

Say you want to drop a 4 day trip that runs over the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th of December. Not only does the standard grid need to be green on each of the 4 days, but you'll also need to check that the LCR4 grid is green for 12/1, the LCR3 grid is green for 12/2, and the LCR2 grid is green for 12/3.

 

I call SHENANIGANS...

Both groups have a lot of "fly my line and go home" guys. In that group, NK does NOT out-earn a JB pilot.

Both groups have reserve pilots. Here again, NK pilots do NOT out-earn JB pilots.

You are or know some NK hustlers, so therefore you wanna compare them to regular JB pilot W2s... I got news for ya, we have a lot of hustlers, a lot of rule benders, a lot of ladies -of-the-night as well. And you have NO proof that an NK hustler out-earns a JB hustler... None. You are talking out your butt.

To Demonrat:

Now I see in a follow-up post you note an NK sim guy. In talking with someone familiar with NK sim dude rules, you do have some sim guys that may well out-earn ours, but I don't think that will survive the JCBA, and the rest of us shouldn't WANT that to survive the JCBA as from what I was told the NK sim guys can do multiple events in a single day, with few restrictions. That's great for the select small group that chooses to do that, but ultimately terrible for training quality. It does not serve the rest of the group or the airline to have instructors using toothpicks to keep their eyes open on our training and checking events. And I certainly wouldn't be dumb enough to brag about that situation or to try and use that as an example of how NK PILOTS make more than JB PILOTS, "dogg".

 

Hahaha!

I'll be seeing you on the line, then.

Because I couldn't drop.

 

Great post....

 

Don't you know credit is magical at NK. If you drop something using DTZ, the company has to pay you 200% credit of everything you drop, and you get to stay home!