I say again... DTZ is industry standard.

JB is the only major with a min credit requirement and it is a huge sub-standard defeciency in your contract. If that survives the JCBA, it'll be a failure of epic proportations by our negotiators. Recall worthy, imo.

 

I will wait for my union contract comparison guide to vet that statement. I asked a friend at UAL, he said they CANNOT just drop to zero every month using no PTO/BANK/SICK/etc... This particular friend has been there a decade and is sharp as they get, period.

I asked a few friends at Delta, and they weren't sure, but ultimately were fairly certain that to drop their whole schedule they would have to use their "Delta" bank or other mechanism. They were fairly certain they couldn't simply go to ZERO month after months without restriction.

When our joint contract comparison guide covers the subject, WITH ALL THE ASTERISKS AND CAVEATS, I will then know what is and is not industry standard.

Now, if DTZ is industry standard, what exactly is NK bringing to the JCBA besides the reserve grids? Seems utterly deficient in basically everything else.

I think most will be a lot more pragmatic and decide that if they get everything they ever wanted in a JCBA, and then some, but the JCBA has DT-1, they will give it the proper consideration while you angrily smash the NO button over ONE hour per month demanding the company pay your healthcare, fund your PTO bank, and pay to send you to the sim every three months while you fly/work ZERO hours per month.

And again, I know you'd vote yes to a contract missing important things, as long as it passes your purity test of zero.

 

I have noticed the argument changing in the previous weeks. We went from "Spirit brings DTZ and unrivaled schedule flexibility and never working bad trips or on holidays" to "Those things are all standard and old B6 doesn't have those things". Which is it?

 

I think the grid is great, and I fully DEMAND the NK RSV grid and grid rules.

But agree on DTZ. Some say it's what makes NK the envy of the whole pilot world and one dude just says it's industry standard.

 

NK doesn’t have reserve flexibility. NK has reassignment without extra pay. NK doesn’t have a Paid Time Off bank separate from sick. NK has drop to zero. NK has pickup out of base. JB has no pickup out of base. JB has Paid time off separate from sick or vacation. JB has the ability to adjust, drop or swap reserve days. JB has reassignment pay and other rules that don’t apply at NK.


Each contract brings something. To say that NK DTZ is everything is comical because the only thing NK brings is DTZ IMO.

 

EXACTLY THIS. I wish more of my NK bretheren understood this. But I think it helps them feel better about being so hillariously underpaid or something idk. Our MEC's brain washing skills are no joke.

 

Bluejet Stolkholm Syndrome is wild. DTZ is industry standard. You need to do better research.

NK's grid rules are industry leading and should be preserved at all costs.

The caveat is reserve at NK kinda sucks. They suck it up so life is good for line holders. But if you tough it out until you can hold a line, it's the best airline to work for. Many ways to out-earn our peers at the legacies if you want to hustle. Or, kick back and enjoy life while not beholden to corporate servitude.

 

Blink twice if they are holding you hostage

I will lick Teds toes if even 1 in 10 pilots at Spirit out earns a similar captain at Delta/AA/Etc

 

This won’t fly. Reserve is pretty good here for locals wanting to fly less and have good QOL. I’m not willing to “suck it up” so lineholders can have ultimate flexibility.

 

I am a local reserve grifter. I flew one day turn this month, and made more money than I would have if I had DTZ'd

I am sure my month would have been more pleasant if lineholders could offload everything onto my shoulders.....