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02-19-2006 | 06:09 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by JBPA
Some good points. IMO, it'll be a long Values? Oh, that's right, they bid for that position. GMAFB!
And the icing on the cake: the 190 pay was defended by mgmt as pilot's choice between QOL and pay. The poor suckers that ended up on the 190 received neither.
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02-19-2006 | 05:22 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by JBPA
Some good points. IMO, it'll be a long time before we get any kind of pay/benefit increase under our current system. You oughta hear what's going on in the -190 ranks. Junior LCA holding lucrative lines with people senior to them on reserve with no pay protection (75 hrs only) for the senior people. I understand the logistics but the reservists should be pay protected at the junior folks' line value (more than 75 hours). Values? Oh, that's right, they bid for that position. GMAFB! Let's Keep picking up the RSAs and RSLs and maybe we'll get another shiny new pen!
02-19-2006 | 05:50 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by Av8tor
The senior guys on the E190 who are not getting a line due to junior LCA are getting compensated for it. They are getting an 85 hour gaurantee and many of them are getting hotels at the companies expense because they don't feel they should have to pay for a crashpad.
02-19-2006 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Av8tor
The senior guys on the E190 who are not getting a line due to junior LCA are getting compensated for it. They are getting an 85 hour gaurantee and many of them are getting hotels at the companies expense because they don't feel they should have to pay for a crashpad.
The original bid package also stated that check airmen "would bid based upon their relative seniority", so the bid package (information everyone used to base the bid decision upon) was a complete lie, as was the statement by management that training lines would be bought from line holders, not simply given to junior check airmen. The base pay was already known, in addition to JA pay. Now there is pay cut in E190 JA pay (with a pay raise given to the 320). Is it a lot? No, but it is the principle of the matter, as is the sense of deceit.
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02-20-2006 | 02:24 AM
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The senior guys on the E190 who are not getting a line due to junior LCA are getting compensated for it. They are getting an 85 hour gaurantee and many of them are getting hotels at the companies expense because they don't feel they should have to pay for a crashpad.
02-20-2006 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by flyboy
The original bid package also stated that check airmen "would bid based upon their relative seniority", so the bid package (information everyone used to base the bid decision upon) was a complete lie, as was the statement by management that training lines would be bought from line holders, not simply given to junior check airmen. .
Ok and how, exactly, would you fly what you bid without having completed IOE? It's kind of a chicken or the egg scenarion. You can't fly without IOE, but you take trips away from line holders (and pay protect them for it) to complete this IOE and you still bi*** about it.
As far as the pay cut, have you actually brought this to anyone's attention? Maybe it was oversight?
Respectfully,
JayDub
02-20-2006 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JayDub
Ok and how, exactly, would you fly what you bid without having completed IOE? . . .
02-20-2006 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by flyboy
That's the point, Dub. Those guys have finished IOE, and have been sitting reserve for several months now. Guess we'll all see how the company responds to their concerns. Your support of these guys is overwhelming, though.
They are pay protected, and they aren't having to work extra days because of it. What solution, exactly, should be looked at? Please do tell.
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JayDub
02-20-2006 | 09:38 PM
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They are pay protected, and they aren't having to work extra days because of it. What solution, exactly, should be looked at? Please do tell.
02-21-2006 | 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JayDub
They are pay protected, and they aren't having to work extra days because of it. What solution, exactly, should be looked at? Please do tell.
Respectfully,
JayDub
Respectfully,
JayDub
How difficult is that?
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