Question for JetBlue guys
#71
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1) Ruth’s/outback have different products, or at least different classes of products. JetBlue pretty much has the same product as Delta, but actually with more legroom, and therefore a more premium coach product. Additionally, JB has a nicer transcon premium product. What jetblue doesn’t have is a regular domestic first product outside of mint. Overall though, the “product” isn’t cheaper/lower quality as an outback dinner would be in comparison to a Ruth’s Chris dinner.
2) JetBlue ticket prices aren’t any less than legacy prices on most overlapping routes. In some cases they are higher. A steak at Ruth’s Chris is 2-3x the cost of an outback steak.
3) Ruth’s Chris pays more for higher quality stuff: silverware, dishes, table cloths, and a higher staff to customer ratio than outback...because their products are different. JetBlue airplanes, seats, IFE, catering, staff:customer ratios and all that stuff is the exact same as Delta’s, because the products are competing and basically identical. Outback doesn’t compete with Ruth’s Chris. Delta does compete with JetBlue.
4) Being a fine dining chef/cook is different work than being an outback cook. Different jobs, different and more high end products, etc...an airbus driver is an airbus driver. If outback’s food was identical to Ruth’s Chris’s, and chefs cooked the same exact things for different wages, that’d be a different story. But a delta a320 pilot does the exact same thing as a jetblue a320 pilot.
5) JetBlue pays the same for an airbus as delta. They pay the same landing fees, the same for fuel (minus hedging strategy differences), the same for maintenance, etc (minus economies of scale on all those things). The price of labor is the price of labor. You can’t subsidize an operation with cheaper labor costs just like Robin can’t tell airbus JetBlue is a low cost carrier and therefore needs lower priced airbuses. Not how it works (unless you’re 360KIAS...you’d do this for free, this profession be damned).
I cannot believe (and frankly don’t think) you are a real airline pilot after some of your posts. If I had to bet money, you are either a company plant, or possibly an employee of Ford and Harrison already at work for C2022, trying to sow discord in the ranks. This is textbook union busting rhetoric.
#72
Selling yourself, your Profession and to be quite honest your union brethren and sistren(even those that may agree with you) short with this rhetoric. Respectfully your analogy, as has been duly noted above, is akin to comparing apples and oranges.
#73
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From: Airbus Capt
Let’s break down your statement and see why it is flawed. Your analogy of JetBlue pilots being outback cooks and delta pilots being Ruth’s Chris cooks would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad, and wrong.
1) Ruth’s/outback have different products, or at least different classes of products. JetBlue pretty much has the same product as Delta, but actually with more legroom, and therefore a more premium coach product. Additionally, JB has a nicer transcon premium product. What jetblue doesn’t have is a regular domestic first product outside of mint. Overall though, the “product” isn’t cheaper/lower quality as an outback dinner would be in comparison to a Ruth’s Chris dinner.
2) JetBlue ticket prices aren’t any less than legacy prices on most overlapping routes. In some cases they are higher. A steak at Ruth’s Chris is 2-3x the cost of an outback steak.
3) Ruth’s Chris pays more for higher quality stuff: silverware, dishes, table cloths, and a higher staff to customer ratio than outback...because their products are different. JetBlue airplanes, seats, IFE, catering, staff:customer ratios and all that stuff is the exact same as Delta’s, because the products are competing and basically identical. Outback doesn’t compete with Ruth’s Chris. Delta does compete with JetBlue.
4) Being a fine dining chef/cook is different work than being an outback cook. Different jobs, different and more high end products, etc...an airbus driver is an airbus driver. If outback’s food was identical to Ruth’s Chris’s, and chefs cooked the same exact things for different wages, that’d be a different story. But a delta a320 pilot does the exact same thing as a jetblue a320 pilot.
5) JetBlue pays the same for an airbus as delta. They pay the same landing fees, the same for fuel (minus hedging strategy differences), the same for maintenance, etc (minus economies of scale on all those things). The price of labor is the price of labor. You can’t subsidize an operation with cheaper labor costs just like Robin can’t tell airbus JetBlue is a low cost carrier and therefore needs lower priced airbuses. Not how it works (unless you’re 360KIAS...you’d do this for free, this profession be damned).
I cannot believe (and frankly don’t think) you are a real airline pilot after some of your posts. If I had to bet money, you are either a company plant, or possibly an employee of Ford and Harrison already at work for C2022, trying to sow discord in the ranks. This is textbook union busting rhetoric.
1) Ruth’s/outback have different products, or at least different classes of products. JetBlue pretty much has the same product as Delta, but actually with more legroom, and therefore a more premium coach product. Additionally, JB has a nicer transcon premium product. What jetblue doesn’t have is a regular domestic first product outside of mint. Overall though, the “product” isn’t cheaper/lower quality as an outback dinner would be in comparison to a Ruth’s Chris dinner.
2) JetBlue ticket prices aren’t any less than legacy prices on most overlapping routes. In some cases they are higher. A steak at Ruth’s Chris is 2-3x the cost of an outback steak.
3) Ruth’s Chris pays more for higher quality stuff: silverware, dishes, table cloths, and a higher staff to customer ratio than outback...because their products are different. JetBlue airplanes, seats, IFE, catering, staff:customer ratios and all that stuff is the exact same as Delta’s, because the products are competing and basically identical. Outback doesn’t compete with Ruth’s Chris. Delta does compete with JetBlue.
4) Being a fine dining chef/cook is different work than being an outback cook. Different jobs, different and more high end products, etc...an airbus driver is an airbus driver. If outback’s food was identical to Ruth’s Chris’s, and chefs cooked the same exact things for different wages, that’d be a different story. But a delta a320 pilot does the exact same thing as a jetblue a320 pilot.
5) JetBlue pays the same for an airbus as delta. They pay the same landing fees, the same for fuel (minus hedging strategy differences), the same for maintenance, etc (minus economies of scale on all those things). The price of labor is the price of labor. You can’t subsidize an operation with cheaper labor costs just like Robin can’t tell airbus JetBlue is a low cost carrier and therefore needs lower priced airbuses. Not how it works (unless you’re 360KIAS...you’d do this for free, this profession be damned).
I cannot believe (and frankly don’t think) you are a real airline pilot after some of your posts. If I had to bet money, you are either a company plant, or possibly an employee of Ford and Harrison already at work for C2022, trying to sow discord in the ranks. This is textbook union busting rhetoric.
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Delta, and JetBlue pilots are both professionals with years of training, you must be the McDonalds fry cook who lied on his resume to get hired.
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