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Old 04-28-2019 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
I think you misread my post. We deserve the same pay and basic benefits (health, 401k, etc.) but we will never have the same non-rev options. Also, our C-suite management is subpar— but we cannot control that.
Just think if we had real management what they could do, one can dream. You know what’s really interesting is I have talked to a few people who “know” that JG is not the problem they actually said she understands what the heck is going on but it’s the structure of management along with the board that is killing us. So many little kingdoms and everyone is fighting for money and not moving in the same direction.
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Old 04-28-2019 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Just think if we had real management what they could do, one can dream. You know what’s really interesting is I have talked to a few people who “know” that JG is not the problem they actually said she understands what the heck is going on but it’s the structure of management along with the board that is killing us. So many little kingdoms and everyone is fighting for money and not moving in the same direction.
agree. Management is our weakest point. Which is really saying something. Maybe she can turn this ship around. I'm not sure.
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Old 04-28-2019 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
agree. Management is our weakest point. Which is really saying something. Maybe she can turn this ship around. I'm not sure.
Sure I keep hoping the Titanic won’t hit the iceberg but
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Old 04-28-2019 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Sure I keep hoping the Titanic won’t hit the iceberg but
I think we have hit several icebergs several times. Im just hoping we won’t hit the iceberg that sinks us.
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Old 04-29-2019 | 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Bad analogy. It’s more like going to JetBlue and wondering why we don’t have widebodies.......

FYI. SWA new hires are leaving for the big 3. Because it’s not a legacy style major airline and those people think they can do better at the big 3......
It's more like an airport signing a contract with JetBlue and expecting landing fees to be the same as with Delta, or the fuel supply company expecting to be paid the same as United. Stop pushing your widebody straw man.

B6 doesn't get an "LCC discount" from anyone but you.
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Old 04-29-2019 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
It's more like an airport signing a contract with JetBlue and expecting landing fees to be the same as with Delta, or the fuel supply company expecting to be paid the same as United. Stop pushing your widebody straw man.

B6 doesn't get an "LCC discount" from anyone but you.
Its not a discount. We deserve better. Period. But Delta is very different from Jetblue. Simple fact. Its not to say that we aren't worth the same pay and benefits (we are) but we couldn't be more different as airlines.

Honest question: if you think you are better suited for DL/AA/UAL/SWA, why not go there? Seems to be a better plan to go to DL/AA/UAL/SWA than go to Jetblue and hope we become DL/AA/UAL/SWA. No?
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Old 04-29-2019 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Its not a discount. We deserve better. Period. But Delta is very different from Jetblue. Simple fact. Its not to say that we aren't worth the same pay and benefits (we are) but we couldn't be more different as airlines.

Honest question: if you think you are better suited for DL/AA/UAL/SWA, why not go there? Seems to be a better plan to go to DL/AA/UAL/SWA than go to Jetblue and hope we become DL/AA/UAL/SWA. No?
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be paid the same to fly the same aircraft?
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Old 04-29-2019 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be paid the same to fly the same aircraft?
Please re-read my answer. I answer that directly.
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Old 04-29-2019 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
It's more like an airport signing a contract with JetBlue and expecting landing fees to be the same as with Delta, or the fuel supply company expecting to be paid the same as United. Stop pushing your widebody straw man.

B6 doesn't get an "LCC discount" from anyone but you.
Or maybe like an airport building a beautiful new terminal for expanded operations and expecting no noise near the airport.

Oh wait, that happened in LGB.
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Old 04-29-2019 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Its not a discount. We deserve better. Period. But Delta is very different from Jetblue. Simple fact. Its not to say that we aren't worth the same pay and benefits (we are) but we couldn't be more different as airlines.

Honest question: if you think you are better suited for DL/AA/UAL/SWA, why not go there? Seems to be a better plan to go to DL/AA/UAL/SWA than go to Jetblue and hope we become DL/AA/UAL/SWA. No?

So we're different airlines but you think we should get the same pay rates, PS, work rules, etc. Am I reading you correctly because you post one thing, then when someone challenges you, you answer differently. Just trying to clarify your position.

And I'm really tired when someone gives the "If you don't like it here, leave" answer. If I was 10-15 years younger and wasn't as senior as I am now, I'd have left a long time ago. Some of us are pot committed to this airline so our only avenue is to stay and hope it gets better. Sadly, I'm not expecting it under the current leadership, which only changes from within, or with those who think the way they do.


United merger or bust I guess.
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