Jet Blue guys...
07-04-2005, 06:15 AM
#31
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Joined APC: Jul 2005
Position: A320 Left seat
Posts: 44
Waffle Logic?
Bushy did not create our pay system, so my preference for the current pay system is in no way an endorsement of Bushy. Bushy did [from what I understand], focus on doing away with any rig trips. Bushy is I'm sure behind the changes in the scheduling guide. Moving Crew Services out of JFK was not a good move, we are now just a voice on the phone, no longer crewmembers with a common cause. This move has also made IROPs much more difficult to manage. I'm not sure if Bushy initiated this move or not, but I associate the move with him.
Jfk pairings will become really crap once again when the Boston base opens, like they did when FLL and LGB opened. I'm not looking foreward to it at all. But I don't rant and complain. Maybe the loss to JFK won't be so bad??
Our airline has to grow, and the top guys seem to know what they are doing. I made a decision to work here. My biggest concern is the almost weekly email introducing yet another 'vp of doorknobs' or ''administrative assitant' to the 'vp of windowshades.' I fear that our organization is getting top heavy. Maybe not, just my perception.
If we are going to hire more people we need more staffing in crew services. Just think about the first IROP around November or December with all the additional 190's . I foresee a real mess coming.
The whole tone and atmosphere changed with the arrival of Bushy. Too bad Dave1 and Dave2 couldn't foresee the drop in morale Bushy would create.
Bluer: If you are a reserve pilot and are working hard, then you should be getting premium pay, right?? Reserve is never fun at any airline. I did my share and only went over 75hrs once. If you are getting premium pay you are lucky.
Jfk pairings will become really crap once again when the Boston base opens, like they did when FLL and LGB opened. I'm not looking foreward to it at all. But I don't rant and complain. Maybe the loss to JFK won't be so bad??
Our airline has to grow, and the top guys seem to know what they are doing. I made a decision to work here. My biggest concern is the almost weekly email introducing yet another 'vp of doorknobs' or ''administrative assitant' to the 'vp of windowshades.' I fear that our organization is getting top heavy. Maybe not, just my perception.
If we are going to hire more people we need more staffing in crew services. Just think about the first IROP around November or December with all the additional 190's . I foresee a real mess coming.
The whole tone and atmosphere changed with the arrival of Bushy. Too bad Dave1 and Dave2 couldn't foresee the drop in morale Bushy would create.
Bluer: If you are a reserve pilot and are working hard, then you should be getting premium pay, right?? Reserve is never fun at any airline. I did my share and only went over 75hrs once. If you are getting premium pay you are lucky.
07-04-2005, 06:50 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 157
Originally Posted by B6Guy
Bushy did not create our pay system, so my preference for the current pay system is in no way an endorsement of Bushy. Bushy did [from what I understand], focus on doing away with any rig trips. Bushy is I'm sure behind the changes in the scheduling guide. Moving Crew Services out of JFK was not a good move, we are now just a voice on the phone, no longer crewmembers with a common cause. This move has also made IROPs much more difficult to manage. I'm not sure if Bushy initiated this move or not, but I associate the move with him.
Jfk pairings will become really crap once again when the Boston base opens, like they did when FLL and LGB opened. I'm not looking foreward to it at all. But I don't rant and complain. Maybe the loss to JFK won't be so bad??
Our airline has to grow, and the top guys seem to know what they are doing. I made a decision to work here. My biggest concern is the almost weekly email introducing yet another 'vp of doorknobs' or ''administrative assitant' to the 'vp of windowshades.' I fear that our organization is getting top heavy. Maybe not, just my perception.
If we are going to hire more people we need more staffing in crew services. Just think about the first IROP around November or December with all the additional 190's . I foresee a real mess coming.
The whole tone and atmosphere changed with the arrival of Bushy. Too bad Dave1 and Dave2 couldn't foresee the drop in morale Bushy would create.
Bluer: If you are a reserve pilot and are working hard, then you should be getting premium pay, right?? Reserve is never fun at any airline. I did my share and only went over 75hrs once. If you are getting premium pay you are lucky.
Jfk pairings will become really crap once again when the Boston base opens, like they did when FLL and LGB opened. I'm not looking foreward to it at all. But I don't rant and complain. Maybe the loss to JFK won't be so bad??
Our airline has to grow, and the top guys seem to know what they are doing. I made a decision to work here. My biggest concern is the almost weekly email introducing yet another 'vp of doorknobs' or ''administrative assitant' to the 'vp of windowshades.' I fear that our organization is getting top heavy. Maybe not, just my perception.
If we are going to hire more people we need more staffing in crew services. Just think about the first IROP around November or December with all the additional 190's . I foresee a real mess coming.
The whole tone and atmosphere changed with the arrival of Bushy. Too bad Dave1 and Dave2 couldn't foresee the drop in morale Bushy would create.
Bluer: If you are a reserve pilot and are working hard, then you should be getting premium pay, right?? Reserve is never fun at any airline. I did my share and only went over 75hrs once. If you are getting premium pay you are lucky.
Some good info here. Dave Bushy is trying to get the last drop of blood from this turnip. We have so few good deals that the eliminiation of rig and the changes to the flight scheduling guide to same more $$$ just makes his tenur here even more adversarial. It is things like this and his attempt to get rid of the 3 year leather jacket show he does not honor the values. But he sure talks the talk when it benefits him. Time for D and D to boot this guy out the door, or give him some job not involved with operations and $$$. (how about the station manager in BOS?)
I am also very concerned about all the new "managment" and "supervisors" being hired (mostly from outside the company). This is exactly what we don't need. More overhead, less JB values etc. It is getting ugly and this should be a concern to all.
Crew Services is definitely an issue. We definitely need more "good" people there! I also think that we need separate division within crew services so that there is no confusion. I can see 320 pilots being assigned 190 lines and the like. Where for the FAs it doesn't matter. I would like to see s group of crew services dedicated to pilots. WHY? We have different manning levels, rest requirements, flying limits, etc. Having a dedicated group of crew services who work only with pilots will make them better at handling pilot issues. More than once I have had to explain to crew services why I am legal for a trip/leg. It has often taken talk to the supervisor to finally get them to understand and agree. They need to know the FAA regs as well as we do. In addition, they won't be "burnt out" by dealing with 1000s of inflight phone calls and be more willing to work with the pilots. I hate calling in and being treated like dirt. Some flexiblity and caring from them as well as some plain common sense would emerege from them if they didn't have to deal with FAs all day. Sometimes the rules/procedures in the FSG can be bent for the benefit of both the company and the crew member. Too often it is "We can't do that" as they stand behind the letter of the FSG. But just wait till they need something, they break the rules as they need to.
Again, good comments B6Guy. Good luck to us all!
Just my opinion....
FNG
07-04-2005, 07:04 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Jun 2005
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Posts: 55
"I would like to see a group of crew services dedicated to pilots. "
FNG320
That is the BEST recommendation I have heard in a long time. Just wish I still had access to the Survey so I could add that in.
07-04-2005, 07:18 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Jul 2005
Position: A320 Left seat
Posts: 44
Question?
Does anyone know if any other airlines have separate 'crew services' for pilots and IFC ??? And how well it works??
D, Bushy does not 'get' the values. He has been an administrator for so long that he can't see or feel the effects of his changes. And he is not approachable at all.
Values and Morale are what make JetBlue. We need to preserve these at all cost, or else we are just another airline.
I've been in Crew Services when at JFK and overheard some of the calls from IFC. I whole-heartedly agree that we would be better off with our own Crew Services.
D, Bushy does not 'get' the values. He has been an administrator for so long that he can't see or feel the effects of his changes. And he is not approachable at all.
Values and Morale are what make JetBlue. We need to preserve these at all cost, or else we are just another airline.
I've been in Crew Services when at JFK and overheard some of the calls from IFC. I whole-heartedly agree that we would be better off with our own Crew Services.
07-04-2005, 07:47 AM
#35
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“Hit a nerve huh?” Is that your higher purpose? You’re the first ones to come in with that intent.
Whether I have a following or not is immaterial as long as the IDEAS have legs.
If the information and the discussion is saved on this forum for people to make up their own minds then I’m happy.
It’s funny that we’ve all avoided personal attacks on this forum right up to the point at which B6 and Blue 2 decided “join” in the discussion. So obviously the lesson here is that people with good “Jetblue attitudes” resort immediately to personal attacks when they hear something they don’t like. Can you teach me how to do my PA’s too? You both have succeeded in changing the tone of this board to something juvenile even as you claim to want to elevate it. I don’t expect you to see that irony. I only say that for the good folks who’ve given some thought to their ideas.
As few as we may be, the hits are higher every week and we’ve covered some good ground about a range of topics. I have no doubt that a few surveys will be impacted by what people read here. That’s not self aggrandizing – because this is not MY forum – I would be happy if we had 1100 members who felt secure enough to give their opinions. The discussions here have been identical to the discussions that I’ve heard before and after pocket sessions, in the cockpit, and in the crash-pad. There is nothing over-the-top about the ideas on this forum. Hopefully more pilots will join in with SUBSTANTIVE contributions.
Your debate to this point has been thus:
you need therapy
you’ll never be happy
90% of pilots would disagree (scientific poll?)
nobody is listening to you
Trying to silence someone because you don’t like their rhetoric is hardly a meaningful contribution. I’m not silenced and I won’t be – now what are you going to do?
Keep up this strategy and you’ll start to sound like the kooks on the Yahoo board.
I can handle personal attacks because I’ve had to stand up to them countless times - often behind a podium and in public – so do your best.
Every post that you write simply to discredit someone will only call into doubt your own credibility. But I really shouldn’t be telling you that.
What I want to know is when you are going to start offering rational arguments about the topics at hand instead of wasting hundreds of words about me.
Jetblue and its people can withstand criticism and examination. So what are you SO worried about?
Don’t obsess about the individual people/avatars on this forum. Just tell us what you know and stop making yourself sound foolish yammering on about how to make a proper post.
Enlighten us with relevant opinions and details.
How about this? Since, as you say, we must be careful to guard against socialist utopia, do you think that it is necessary for pilots to take part in the very same healthcare and profit sharing plan as the rest of the company?
You can now choose to move forward and debate – leaving personal silliness aside – or you can waste some more space.
Whether I have a following or not is immaterial as long as the IDEAS have legs.
If the information and the discussion is saved on this forum for people to make up their own minds then I’m happy.
It’s funny that we’ve all avoided personal attacks on this forum right up to the point at which B6 and Blue 2 decided “join” in the discussion. So obviously the lesson here is that people with good “Jetblue attitudes” resort immediately to personal attacks when they hear something they don’t like. Can you teach me how to do my PA’s too? You both have succeeded in changing the tone of this board to something juvenile even as you claim to want to elevate it. I don’t expect you to see that irony. I only say that for the good folks who’ve given some thought to their ideas.
As few as we may be, the hits are higher every week and we’ve covered some good ground about a range of topics. I have no doubt that a few surveys will be impacted by what people read here. That’s not self aggrandizing – because this is not MY forum – I would be happy if we had 1100 members who felt secure enough to give their opinions. The discussions here have been identical to the discussions that I’ve heard before and after pocket sessions, in the cockpit, and in the crash-pad. There is nothing over-the-top about the ideas on this forum. Hopefully more pilots will join in with SUBSTANTIVE contributions.
Your debate to this point has been thus:
you need therapy
you’ll never be happy
90% of pilots would disagree (scientific poll?)
nobody is listening to you
Trying to silence someone because you don’t like their rhetoric is hardly a meaningful contribution. I’m not silenced and I won’t be – now what are you going to do?
Keep up this strategy and you’ll start to sound like the kooks on the Yahoo board.
I can handle personal attacks because I’ve had to stand up to them countless times - often behind a podium and in public – so do your best.
Every post that you write simply to discredit someone will only call into doubt your own credibility. But I really shouldn’t be telling you that.
What I want to know is when you are going to start offering rational arguments about the topics at hand instead of wasting hundreds of words about me.
Jetblue and its people can withstand criticism and examination. So what are you SO worried about?
Don’t obsess about the individual people/avatars on this forum. Just tell us what you know and stop making yourself sound foolish yammering on about how to make a proper post.
Enlighten us with relevant opinions and details.
How about this? Since, as you say, we must be careful to guard against socialist utopia, do you think that it is necessary for pilots to take part in the very same healthcare and profit sharing plan as the rest of the company?
You can now choose to move forward and debate – leaving personal silliness aside – or you can waste some more space.
07-04-2005, 07:59 AM
#37
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Yes - almost every other airline has scheduling/dispatch functions in an off-site ops center. It's a cost issue.
Yes - many airlines have seperate inflight and pilot schedulers. It works much better because you can have specialists.
Yes - many airlines have seperate inflight and pilot schedulers. It works much better because you can have specialists.
Last edited by Realistic; 07-04-2005 at 08:08 AM.
07-04-2005, 08:01 AM
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Since we're all lucky to have jobs in this economy - we must be lucky to have such a judicious cost cutter in Dave Bushy. A pay raise at any level should be out of the question.
We might consider time and three-quarters as a further incentive for productivity.
We might consider time and three-quarters as a further incentive for productivity.
07-04-2005, 08:06 AM
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If values and morale are what make us special then it would be important to have some objective measure of just where that morale is.
The survey only touches the edges of what is making us happy or unhappy.
Maybe a more detailed, pilot specific survey could identify the issues that are hurting morale.
Maybe the values committee could begin their own survey.
The survey only touches the edges of what is making us happy or unhappy.
Maybe a more detailed, pilot specific survey could identify the issues that are hurting morale.
Maybe the values committee could begin their own survey.
Last edited by Realistic; 07-04-2005 at 08:12 AM.
07-04-2005, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by B6Guy
Bluer: If you are a reserve pilot and are working hard, then you should be getting premium pay, right?? Reserve is never fun at any airline. I did my share and only went over 75hrs once. If you are getting premium pay you are lucky.
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