Beechnut

Anyone know when the app window opens?

n7715x

Do you even work here? Serious question. When I interviewed in 2010, the panel portion consisted of a line captain and flight attendant. You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. They have discontinued this practice from what I gather.

P-3Bubba

It's part of the "crew" thing. No one is asking you how the CRJ-200's hydraulic systems works. The janitor could interview you, just don't be a moron and get hired.

"But I don't want to work for an airline where a flight attendant has a say in whether I get hired."

I don't want to work at an airline where a interviewee is deemed unworthy of wearing a double breasted uniform (DELTA) when he has C-130, U2, T-34EP/IP and P-3C EP/IP time in his logbook. Oh yeah, he's not a doucher either. Their loss. Hopefully, Jblue's gain.

n7715x

That's pretty much how the logic behind it was explained to me. There is something to be said for anyone in the company seeing if you're a "cultural fit", and JB does emphasize their culture, in the interview at least. However, I'm glad they discontinued the practice due to the technical nature of our work...I don't think most FAs could really follow along with TMAAT situations accurately enough to understand the ideas behind the stories and thus form an accurate opinion of the applicant. Upon reviewing FL450's past posts, I see he appears to be a brand new JB pilot. Kind of nice to have a brand new guy telling you that you don't know about your own interview...

RiddleEagle18

You dont see a problem with FAs on pilot hiring panels but no pilots on FAs panels?

The whole we are all equal thing at jetblue has been taken to the extreme of flt ops management having no balls to stand up to the other departments.

FAs should have never been put in a position of authority over a pilots potential career at jetblue.

Southerner

I really don't think it matters. The TMAAT questions might be technical, but they aren't paying attention to your response in that way. They are looking for words that indicate you are lying, or in some way aren't a good fit. They are looking at your body language, and watching your presentation. What you say is less important than how you say it.

As long as the flight attendant has been properly trained to interpret those cues, it doesn't matter. You guys just don't like the idea of it because it hurts your ego, and that may be just the reason they are there, to see your reaction when you hear them introduce themselves as a flight attendant.

BushPirate

+1
I do not see that much of a difference between a non-pilot HR person and a FA. FA's deal with people all day every day, they get to be shrewd judges of character, and judges of pilot personalities. And if you are that worried about a FA "having control over a pilot's career", I think you have missed something critical in your CREW resource management courses.....

Kellwolf

I have zero problems with FAs being in on the interview process. I also think, however, if that's gonna be part of it for the pilots (assuming it's true since I have no idea one way or the other), it's fair to have it be reciprocal. Truth is an HR person is gonna have very little or zero contact with the applicant after the hiring process is done. If you have contact with HR after that, it's either because you're moving within the company or because you're in trouble. FAs will have DAILY contact with the applicant. Since there are (or weren't when I interviewed) any technical questions, it makes about as much sense as having a pilot there to interview. Pilots interview to see if this is someone they can stand being cooped up front with for 4 days. Potentially to spot BS as well. The FAs would have a better feel for that based on their experience than someone from HR. Besides, let's face it. As of right now, a FA could just as easily land you in a disciplinary hearing anyway.

I can guarantee you we'd have some applicants treat people in the interview differently if they introduced themselves as FAs instead of HR, and likely not in a good way. HR they'd be on the best behavior and treat them with respect. An FA interviewing them might trigger the exact responses we've seen in this thread. Maybe not verbally, but non-verbal "why the heck are YOU here interviewing ME?" cues. I'd also expect that to happen if pilots were interviewing FAs and made it known they were pilots. Might be a good way to screen out DBs on both sides.

Southerner

+1

That might be exactly why they are/were there.

skypilot35

I understand what you're saying, but I personally believe that we as pilots have given away too much of our command authority. I am referring to the perception this creates. The perception that the pilot is just another employee at the airline. The perception that extends beyond the interview process. The perception that a pilot and FA are somehow equals (in this case the FA is the superior). Im not being egotistical here, but the two guys up front have a responsibility on their shoulders that the vast majority of people cannot contemplate. As a pilot, I want to be interviewed by another pilot. I understand CRM. I am always cordial and polite to the FAs I fly with. I understand the job they do in the back of the airplane is critical (I wouldn't want to do it), but unless they have flown as a pilot for a 121 carrier, there is no way they should be part of the pilot hiring interview board. My .02.